Trying to help a team mate layout a new ball. (THS, synthetic lanes)
Ball: Storm Hy-road Pearl (sym.) & Code X. (asym.)
RH: 4-6/8" X 6/8" up (PAP)
15-15.5 mph (monitor)
50-60 axis rotation
20* axis tilt
300 rev rate
Bowling style: Tweener (205 average)
Thanks!
Layout advice request..
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Re: Layout advice request..
Sweetspot 100* total 1:1 Ratiopurpledogcreek wrote:Trying to help a team mate layout a new ball. (THS, synthetic lanes)
Ball: Storm Hy-road Pearl (sym.) & Code X. (asym.)
RH: 4-6/8" X 6/8" up (PAP)
15-15.5 mph (monitor)
50-60 axis rotation
20* axis tilt
300 rev rate
Bowling style: Tweener (205 average)
Thanks!
Asymmetrical Benchmark ............................... 50-4.25-50
Code X ..................... Control ........................ 50-4.5-70
Hy-Road Pearl ........... Long and Strong ............ xx-3.25-45
Eric Hartwell
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
Re: Layout advice request..
Eric,
I always follow along when you do a recommendation to see if I "get it".
I get the 100-degree sweet-spot from his speed and rev rate.
I believe the angle ratio of 1:1 is chosen (because of his high A/T and A/R) to get the ball to reach 1st transition sooner as well as eliminate any jumpy back-end reactions.
The "longer" ASYM P2P distance is to help burn off A/R and A/T quicker (because he is a Tweener)?
Inquiring minds want to know! (LOL)
I always follow along when you do a recommendation to see if I "get it".
I get the 100-degree sweet-spot from his speed and rev rate.
I believe the angle ratio of 1:1 is chosen (because of his high A/T and A/R) to get the ball to reach 1st transition sooner as well as eliminate any jumpy back-end reactions.
The "longer" ASYM P2P distance is to help burn off A/R and A/T quicker (because he is a Tweener)?
Inquiring minds want to know! (LOL)
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- Rev Rate: 330
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- Axis Rotation: 45
- Heavy Oil Ball: Radical Tremendous, EVO solid, Hammer Obsession
- Medium Oil Ball: EVO pearl, True Motion, Columbia Command, DV8 Intimidator
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Re: Layout advice request..
Comments in color aboveGlenn wrote:Eric,
I always follow along when you do a recommendation to see if I "get it".
I get the 100-degree sweet-spot from his speed and rev rate.
I believe the angle ratio of 1:1 is chosen (because of his high A/T and A/R) to get the ball to reach 1st transition sooner as well as eliminate any jumpy back-end reactions.
The Ratio is take from the Dual Angle Ratio Guide mainly based on his tilt.
Yes to your description about getting the ball started sooner and have a smoother hook.
The "longer" ASYM P2P distance is to help burn off A/R and A/T quicker (because he is a Tweener)?
Again the tilt is the major component in choosing the Pin to PAP distance. Longer pin to PAP's for higher tilt bowlers.
Inquiring minds want to know! (LOL)
Eric Hartwell
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
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- Member
- Posts: 14
- Joined: September 17th, 2018, 2:16 am
- THS Average: 200
- Positive Axis Point: PAP 4.63 up 1.25" (lefty)
- Speed: 17 mph monitor
- Rev Rate: 280
- Axis Tilt: 20*
- Axis Rotation: 70*
- Medium Oil Ball: Storm IQ Tour
- Preferred Company: Storm
Re: Layout advice request..
Hey Eric, wonder if you could recommend another layout for my above friend.
He bought a "Hyper cell fuse" and was thinking about something with a little more control and a little earlier than his hy-road pearl, which by the way turned out to me an awesome ball for him with the layout you recommended. Any other suggestions appreciated.
Thanks
Mark
He bought a "Hyper cell fuse" and was thinking about something with a little more control and a little earlier than his hy-road pearl, which by the way turned out to me an awesome ball for him with the layout you recommended. Any other suggestions appreciated.
Thanks
Mark
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- Rev Rate: 330
- Axis Tilt: 12
- Axis Rotation: 45
- Heavy Oil Ball: Radical Tremendous, EVO solid, Hammer Obsession
- Medium Oil Ball: EVO pearl, True Motion, Columbia Command, DV8 Intimidator
- Light Oil Ball: Blue Hammer
- Location: Michigan
Re: Layout advice request..
purpledogcreek wrote:Hey Eric, wonder if you could recommend another layout for my above friend.
He bought a "Hyper cell fuse" and was thinking about something with a little more control and a little earlier than his hy-road pearl, which by the way turned out to me an awesome ball for him with the layout you recommended. Any other suggestions appreciated.
Thanks
Mark
Did he not get the Code X that was in my original recommendation?
If not, I would suggest that same layout for the Hyper cell fuse ......... 50-4.5-70
Use surface adjustment to tune in the skid length. Keeping the factory shine on it will make the skid length very similar to the hy-road pearl
Eric Hartwell
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
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- Member
- Posts: 14
- Joined: September 17th, 2018, 2:16 am
- THS Average: 200
- Positive Axis Point: PAP 4.63 up 1.25" (lefty)
- Speed: 17 mph monitor
- Rev Rate: 280
- Axis Tilt: 20*
- Axis Rotation: 70*
- Medium Oil Ball: Storm IQ Tour
- Preferred Company: Storm
Re: Layout advice request..
No Eric, he changed his mind on the Code X and just went with the Hy-Road pearl. I wasn't sure about using the control layout you recommended for the X being that it is a solid and the Fuse is hybred. He doesn't like to mess with surface change, though i'll give him your recommendation. Seems like everything i've read on the fuse is that it tends to roll early but gets thru the heads easy.
Thanks
Thanks
Left Handed
PAP 4.63" up 1.25"
70* rotation
20* tilt
280 rev rate
17 mph (monitor)
PAP 4.63" up 1.25"
70* rotation
20* tilt
280 rev rate
17 mph (monitor)
- EricHartwell
- Trusted Source
- Posts: 4080
- Joined: April 5th, 2011, 12:24 am
- Positive Axis Point: 4-3/4" and 1/2"up
- Speed: 16 off hand
- Rev Rate: 330
- Axis Tilt: 12
- Axis Rotation: 45
- Heavy Oil Ball: Radical Tremendous, EVO solid, Hammer Obsession
- Medium Oil Ball: EVO pearl, True Motion, Columbia Command, DV8 Intimidator
- Light Oil Ball: Blue Hammer
- Location: Michigan
Re: Layout advice request..
Hmmmm gets through the heads easily, in other words it skids easily due to its polished surface. Thus my recommendation to use surface or else he will have a similar skid length to the Hy-Road Pearl. Another ball that gets through the heads easily.purpledogcreek wrote:No Eric, he changed his mind on the Code X and just went with the Hy-Road pearl. I wasn't sure about using the control layout you recommended for the X being that it is a solid and the Fuse is hybred. He doesn't like to mess with surface change, though i'll give him your recommendation. Seems like everything i've read on the fuse is that it tends to roll early but gets thru the heads easy.
Thanks
It just doesn't make sense to me to have a bunch of balls that are very similar or have a 2 ball set with the same exact surface prep on both balls. smh
Eric Hartwell
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
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- Member
- Posts: 14
- Joined: September 17th, 2018, 2:16 am
- THS Average: 200
- Positive Axis Point: PAP 4.63 up 1.25" (lefty)
- Speed: 17 mph monitor
- Rev Rate: 280
- Axis Tilt: 20*
- Axis Rotation: 70*
- Medium Oil Ball: Storm IQ Tour
- Preferred Company: Storm
Re: Layout advice request..
lol, I totally agree! I know I couldn't survive without knocking the shine off!
Thanks for your help,
Mark.
Thanks for your help,
Mark.