Another two hander for you Eric

Which layout is right for me?

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Another two hander for you Eric

Post by TonyPR » November 11th, 2018, 2:31 am

Bowler:
-2 handed no thumb Right handed
-PAP 6 1/4 x 1/8 down from bridge from a plastic ball
-7* tilt
-17.5 mph OTH
-420-450ish rpms
-30-45 Axis Rotation
-150-160ish average

Conditions:
-Brunswick Pro Anvil Lanes
-40’ THS 27ml 10:1
-Freshly oiled 3 person league/3 games

1-2 Balls in order of priority in case he can only buy one

Prefers EBI brands but also give Radical recommendations as I also want to suggest them.

Balls and layouts please

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Positive Axis Point: 4-3/4" and 1/2"up
Speed: 16 off hand
Rev Rate: 330
Axis Tilt: 12
Axis Rotation: 45
Heavy Oil Ball: Radical Tremendous
Medium Oil Ball: Motiv Villain, Hammer Nail, Brunswick True Motion
Light Oil Ball: Blue Hammer, Columbia Nitrous
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Re: Another two hander for you Eric

Post by EricHartwell » November 11th, 2018, 11:41 pm

TonyPR wrote:Bowler:
-2 handed no thumb Right handed
-PAP 6 1/4 x 1/8 down from bridge from a plastic ball
-7* tilt
-17.5 mph OTH
-420-450ish rpms
-30-45 Axis Rotation
-150-160ish average

Conditions:
-Brunswick Pro Anvil Lanes
-40’ THS 27ml 10:1
-Freshly oiled 3 person league/3 games

1-2 Balls in order of priority in case he can only buy one

Prefers EBI brands but also give Radical recommendations as I also want to suggest them.

Balls and layouts please
110* Totals 2.5:1 Ratio

Asymmetrical Layouts
Totally Strong .............. 67-4.5-23
Midlane ...................... 60-4-30
Benchmark ................. 80-3-30
Long and Strong .......... 90-2.5-30
Control ....................... 80-3-50
low flare ..................... 90-2-30

Symmetrical Layouts Drilling angle measured to Cg to position the Cg towards the fingers

Benchmark ................ 100-3-25 drill the fingers deep 4"
Long and Strong ......... 90-4.5-25 shallow fingers
Control ...................... 110-4.5-50
low flare Low Rg ......... 110-2-30 drill the fingers deep 4"
low flare High Rg ........ 100-5-40

Once balls are chosen I will gladly help match them up to layouts.
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PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
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12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand

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Re: Another two hander for you Eric

Post by TonyPR » November 12th, 2018, 1:36 am

If only two reactive balls where to be picked, what general characteristics would you recommend? Solid, Pearl, medium diffs, smooth, snappy, entry level, etc...

In my case, and I have similar specs myself, I tend to like medium oil symmetrical balls, maybe a smooth solid and a long and snappy pearl or hybrid both with medium diffs, for example a GB2 and a Rebel like I gave my student in the other thread, only difference is those where for sport patterns.

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Re: Another two hander for you Eric

Post by EricHartwell » November 12th, 2018, 3:02 am

2 ball set, definitely a dull and a shiny counterpart.
Most ball companies have that at each price point.
Ball choices are so abundant. Thus part of the reason I try to stay away from making specific ball recommendations.
I prefer to make the layout recommendations to make it work. I don't want to be the reason for buyers remorse.
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Re: Another two hander for you Eric

Post by TonyPR » November 12th, 2018, 10:28 pm

Chosen balls:
-GB2 for fresh
-Rhodman Pearl or Onyx Vibe as second balls

When you say “shallow fingers” what depth should I drill them?

When you don’t say “shallow” or 4” deep, should I go 3.5” deep?

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Re: Another two hander for you Eric

Post by EricHartwell » November 13th, 2018, 1:58 am

Shallow fingers would mean to disturb the core the least or not at all 2"
Normal finger depth 3"
I realize it is tough to not intersect the fingers when drilling them deeper. Making sure they hit the core substantially. The 4" depth would be going for a maximum effect. 3 1/2" has been Mo's deeper finger recommendation.
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Re: Another two hander for you Eric

Post by TonyPR » November 13th, 2018, 2:20 am

Got it. What about layouts for the balls mentioned above?

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Re: Another two hander for you Eric

Post by TonyPR » November 14th, 2018, 2:46 am

Ok, drew out all the layouts on a GB2 and I think we’re going to go with the control layout on that one. The pin position of the high rg low flare and the control is so similar I believe that the reactions are going to be about the same.

One question, the low rg low flare with the short pin is more for playing straight in a tight pattern correct?

Finally, what should I use for his other ball which more than likely will be a used Rhodman Pearl? Was reding this ball goes very long and reacts strong to dry.

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Medium Oil Ball: Motiv Villain, Hammer Nail, Brunswick True Motion
Light Oil Ball: Blue Hammer, Columbia Nitrous
Location: Michigan

Re: Another two hander for you Eric

Post by EricHartwell » November 14th, 2018, 2:58 am

The low Rg low flare ith deep fingers to create Asymmetry is meant to play straighter, less hook.
TonyPR wrote:Finally, what should I use for his other ball which more than likely will be a used Rhodman Pearl? Was reding this ball goes very long and reacts strong to dry.
If what you have read is true I would opt for the Control layout 100-4.5-50
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PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand

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