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 Post subject: Another two hander for you Eric
 Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:31 am Post Number: #1 Post
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Bowler:
-2 handed no thumb Right handed
-PAP 6 1/4 x 1/8 down from bridge from a plastic ball
-7* tilt
-17.5 mph OTH
-420-450ish rpms
-30-45 Axis Rotation
-150-160ish average

Conditions:
-Brunswick Pro Anvil Lanes
-40’ THS 27ml 10:1
-Freshly oiled 3 person league/3 games

1-2 Balls in order of priority in case he can only buy one

Prefers EBI brands but also give Radical recommendations as I also want to suggest them.

Balls and layouts please


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 Post subject: Re: Another two hander for you Eric
 Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:41 pm Post Number: #2 Post
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TonyPR wrote:
Bowler:
-2 handed no thumb Right handed
-PAP 6 1/4 x 1/8 down from bridge from a plastic ball
-7* tilt
-17.5 mph OTH
-420-450ish rpms
-30-45 Axis Rotation
-150-160ish average

Conditions:
-Brunswick Pro Anvil Lanes
-40’ THS 27ml 10:1
-Freshly oiled 3 person league/3 games

1-2 Balls in order of priority in case he can only buy one

Prefers EBI brands but also give Radical recommendations as I also want to suggest them.

Balls and layouts please

110* Totals 2.5:1 Ratio

Asymmetrical Layouts
Totally Strong .............. 67-4.5-23
Midlane ...................... 60-4-30
Benchmark ................. 80-3-30
Long and Strong .......... 90-2.5-30
Control ....................... 80-3-50
low flare ..................... 90-2-30

Symmetrical Layouts Drilling angle measured to Cg to position the Cg towards the fingers

Benchmark ................ 100-3-25 drill the fingers deep 4"
Long and Strong ......... 90-4.5-25 shallow fingers
Control ...................... 110-4.5-50
low flare Low Rg ......... 110-2-30 drill the fingers deep 4"
low flare High Rg ........ 100-5-40

Once balls are chosen I will gladly help match them up to layouts.

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 Post subject: Re: Another two hander for you Eric
 Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:36 am Post Number: #3 Post
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If only two reactive balls where to be picked, what general characteristics would you recommend? Solid, Pearl, medium diffs, smooth, snappy, entry level, etc...

In my case, and I have similar specs myself, I tend to like medium oil symmetrical balls, maybe a smooth solid and a long and snappy pearl or hybrid both with medium diffs, for example a GB2 and a Rebel like I gave my student in the other thread, only difference is those where for sport patterns.


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 Post subject: Re: Another two hander for you Eric
 Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:02 am Post Number: #4 Post
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2 ball set, definitely a dull and a shiny counterpart.
Most ball companies have that at each price point.
Ball choices are so abundant. Thus part of the reason I try to stay away from making specific ball recommendations.
I prefer to make the layout recommendations to make it work. I don't want to be the reason for buyers remorse.

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 Post subject: Re: Another two hander for you Eric
 Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:28 pm Post Number: #5 Post
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Chosen balls:
-GB2 for fresh
-Rhodman Pearl or Onyx Vibe as second balls

When you say “shallow fingers” what depth should I drill them?

When you don’t say “shallow” or 4” deep, should I go 3.5” deep?


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 Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:58 am Post Number: #6 Post
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Shallow fingers would mean to disturb the core the least or not at all 2"
Normal finger depth 3"
I realize it is tough to not intersect the fingers when drilling them deeper. Making sure they hit the core substantially. The 4" depth would be going for a maximum effect. 3 1/2" has been Mo's deeper finger recommendation.

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 Post subject: Re: Another two hander for you Eric
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Got it. What about layouts for the balls mentioned above?


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 Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:46 am Post Number: #8 Post
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Ok, drew out all the layouts on a GB2 and I think we’re going to go with the control layout on that one. The pin position of the high rg low flare and the control is so similar I believe that the reactions are going to be about the same.

One question, the low rg low flare with the short pin is more for playing straight in a tight pattern correct?

Finally, what should I use for his other ball which more than likely will be a used Rhodman Pearl? Was reding this ball goes very long and reacts strong to dry.


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 Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:58 am Post Number: #9 Post
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The low Rg low flare ith deep fingers to create Asymmetry is meant to play straighter, less hook.

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Finally, what should I use for his other ball which more than likely will be a used Rhodman Pearl? Was reding this ball goes very long and reacts strong to dry.

If what you have read is true I would opt for the Control layout 100-4.5-50

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