Layouts / Arsenal ? Eric ?

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Layouts / Arsenal ? Eric ?

Post by todvan » November 10th, 2018, 1:20 am

My release stats are in my signature...updated slightly

I am adding Radical balls in a slow conversion from Motiv. I hope to add a Conspiracy soon.

Here is what I have right now:

Motiv Sigma Sting XX x 4.25 x 40 pin above RF
Motiv Revolt Vengeance XX x 4.25 x 50 pin in RF
Radical Intel XX x 3.5 x 60 pin below and short of RF
Motiv Jackal LE 45 x 5 x 45 asym

The Intel has become my first ball out. The Sting is cleaner, slightly weaker, but more backend. The Vengeance is a bit longer than the Intel, but stronger finish than the Sting (more core). The Jackal was too strong for THS, but I have recently polished it and it will play if I keep it in the oil.

Sometimes I need more recovery and/or a stronger backend angle and continuation, which is why I am looking to add the Conspiracy. Just don’t want it to be too much ball for THS.

I am looking for layouts (sym and asym) for my stats, and any recommendations for the arsenal. Playing 2 different houses with different THS reactions, plus rare tournaments. Thanks!
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Re: Layouts / Arsenal ? Eric ?

Post by todvan » November 12th, 2018, 5:19 pm

I think I have it figured out by comparing to others with close to my stats.
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Re: Layouts / Arsenal ? Eric ?

Post by 44boyd » November 12th, 2018, 8:31 pm

I’d post what balls you’re looking at, he’ll suggest layouts.
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Re: Layouts / Arsenal ? Eric ?

Post by EricHartwell » November 13th, 2018, 1:32 am

todvan wrote:My release stats are in my signature...updated slightly

I am adding Radical balls in a slow conversion from Motiv. I hope to add a Conspiracy soon.

Here is what I have right now:

Motiv Sigma Sting XX x 4.25 x 40 pin above RF
Motiv Revolt Vengeance XX x 4.25 x 50 pin in RF
Radical Intel XX x 3.5 x 60 pin below and short of RF
Motiv Jackal LE 45 x 5 x 45 asym

The Intel has become my first ball out. The Sting is cleaner, slightly weaker, but more backend. The Vengeance is a bit longer than the Intel, but stronger finish than the Sting (more core). The Jackal was too strong for THS, but I have recently polished it and it will play if I keep it in the oil.

Sometimes I need more recovery and/or a stronger backend angle and continuation, which is why I am looking to add the Conspiracy. Just don’t want it to be too much ball for THS.

I am looking for layouts (sym and asym) for my stats, and any recommendations for the arsenal. Playing 2 different houses with different THS reactions, plus rare tournaments. Thanks!
Somehow I missed the original post. I apologize.

Totals 95*, 1.25:1 Ratio

Asymmetrical Layouts
Totally Strong .............. 45-4.5-30
Midlane ....................... 30-4.5-45
Benchmark .................. 50-4-45
Long and Strong ........... 70-4-45
Control ........................ 50-3.5-65
low flare ...................... 70-2.25-45

Symmetrical Layouts
Benchmark .................. xx-4-40
Control ....................... xx-4.5-65
low flare ..................... xx-5-40
todvan wrote:Sometimes I need more recovery and/or a stronger backend angle and continuation, which is why I am looking to add the Conspiracy. Just don’t want it to be too much ball for THS.
Conspiracy ................. 80-4-35
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Re: Layouts / Arsenal ? Eric ?

Post by todvan » November 13th, 2018, 11:54 am

Thank you, Eric!

I have seen you mention that benchmark is sometimes strong for THS. Of the different layouts listed, which are most useful on THS? I seem to have mostly control to benchmark layouts right now, but I am thinking long and strong (like the Conspiracy layout you recommended) is my other option when I need more recovery/backend?
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Re: Layouts / Arsenal ? Eric ?

Post by EricHartwell » November 14th, 2018, 1:51 am

Using larger totals for THS conditions is because there is plenty of friction.

Another option is to use Benchmark ratio with the raised totals to get a reaction between the Long and Strong and Control layouts.
The low flare can be augmented with different ratios for more options as well.

The Basic list I start with is just that, it's basic. Its just a starting point. It sets up a range of usable layouts to choose from once a ball is chosen.
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