Struggling ball shape

Which layout is right for me?

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Struggling ball shape

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Could use some help with layouts.


Pap: 4 1/2 O 3/4up
Balls speed:17mph
Axis roation:55 degrees
Axis tilt: 3 degrees
ReV Rate: 420
Span:4 1/8 both fingers
Finger pitches
LF: 3/8 LT, 1/2 REV
RF: 3/8 RT, 3/8 REV
Thumb pitches.1/8fwd-1/8 left

Any help would be great.
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They’ll need what type of lanes, oil length, sport THS etc.. to help.
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He is a very versatile player, but postly looking for help patters. He is strong on the fresh,and he has no problem geting in front of ball return and creating rotation, but his ball shape can start to be hit or Miss later in the blocks. He has cashed in multiple reginals, so he does have the ability.
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Positive Axis Point: 4-3/4" and 1/2"up
Speed: 16 off hand
Rev Rate: 330
Axis Tilt: 12
Axis Rotation: 45
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Moffettcomp wrote:Could use some help with layouts.


Pap: 4 1/2 O 3/4up
Balls speed:17mph
Axis roation:55 degrees
Axis tilt: 3 degrees
ReV Rate: 420
Span:4 1/8 both fingers
Finger pitches
LF: 3/8 LT, 1/2 REV
RF: 3/8 RT, 3/8 REV
Thumb pitches.1/8fwd-1/8 left

Any help would be great.
How is the speed measured?
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PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
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Scoring monitor down lane.
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Positive Axis Point: 4-3/4" and 1/2"up
Speed: 16 off hand
Rev Rate: 330
Axis Tilt: 12
Axis Rotation: 45
Heavy Oil Ball: Radical Tremendous, EVO solid, Hammer Obsession
Medium Oil Ball: EVO pearl, True Motion, Columbia Command, DV8 Intimidator
Light Oil Ball: Blue Hammer
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Moffettcomp wrote:Could use some help with layouts.


Pap: 4 1/2 O 3/4up
Balls speed:17mph
Axis roation:55 degrees
Axis tilt: 3 degrees
ReV Rate: 420
Span:4 1/8 both fingers
Finger pitches
LF: 3/8 LT, 1/2 REV
RF: 3/8 RT, 3/8 REV
Thumb pitches.1/8fwd-1/8 left

Any help would be great.
Matched Speed to Revs very low tilt and med rotation.
Sweetspot 105* totals 2.75:1 Ratio

Asymmetrical Layouts ....
Totally Strong ............65-4-20
Midlane .................... 55-4-30
Benchmark ............... 75-3-30
Long and Strong ....... 90-3-30
Control .................... 75-4-50 pin in the ring finger
low flare .................. 90-2-30

Symmetrical layouts ....
Benchmark .............. xx-4.5-25
Control .................... xx-4.75-40 pin above the bridge
low flare .................. xx-5.5-40
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16 mph off hand
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Since most of the above I believe comes from Mo's teachings I notices that in his latest video he said he never recommends pin to pap distances under 3.5 except when he goes for the low flare option of 90x2 1/4×45 layout

thought it was interesting that he never recommends anything above 5.5. under 3/4 or between 2 1/4 and 3.5. I'd love to know the reasoning why nothing between 2 1/4 and 3.5
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Rev Rate: 330
Axis Tilt: 12
Axis Rotation: 45
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Medium Oil Ball: EVO pearl, True Motion, Columbia Command, DV8 Intimidator
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gunso wrote:Since most of the above I believe comes from Mo's teachings I notices that in his latest video he said he never recommends pin to pap distances under 3.5 except when he goes for the low flare option of 90x2 1/4×45 layout

thought it was interesting that he never recommends anything above 5.5. under 3/4 or between 2 1/4 and 3.5. I'd love to know the reasoning why nothing between 2 1/4 and 3.5
Can you post a link to this latest video?

True, most of what I recommend comes from Mo's teachings. But I am not Mo and some of what I recommend is from my own experience.
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