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 Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:28 pm Post Number: #1 Post
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Could use some help with layouts.


Pap: 4 1/2 O 3/4up
Balls speed:17mph
Axis roation:55 degrees
Axis tilt: 3 degrees
ReV Rate: 420
Span:4 1/8 both fingers
Finger pitches
LF: 3/8 LT, 1/2 REV
RF: 3/8 RT, 3/8 REV
Thumb pitches.1/8fwd-1/8 left

Any help would be great.


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 Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:30 pm Post Number: #2 Post
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They’ll need what type of lanes, oil length, sport THS etc.. to help.

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 Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:53 pm Post Number: #3 Post
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He is a very versatile player, but postly looking for help patters. He is strong on the fresh,and he has no problem geting in front of ball return and creating rotation, but his ball shape can start to be hit or Miss later in the blocks. He has cashed in multiple reginals, so he does have the ability.


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 Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 1:42 am Post Number: #4 Post
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Moffettcomp wrote:
Could use some help with layouts.


Pap: 4 1/2 O 3/4up
Balls speed:17mph
Axis roation:55 degrees
Axis tilt: 3 degrees
ReV Rate: 420
Span:4 1/8 both fingers
Finger pitches
LF: 3/8 LT, 1/2 REV
RF: 3/8 RT, 3/8 REV
Thumb pitches.1/8fwd-1/8 left

Any help would be great.

How is the speed measured?

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 Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 3:10 am Post Number: #5 Post
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 Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:00 am Post Number: #6 Post
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Moffettcomp wrote:
Could use some help with layouts.


Pap: 4 1/2 O 3/4up
Balls speed:17mph
Axis roation:55 degrees
Axis tilt: 3 degrees
ReV Rate: 420
Span:4 1/8 both fingers
Finger pitches
LF: 3/8 LT, 1/2 REV
RF: 3/8 RT, 3/8 REV
Thumb pitches.1/8fwd-1/8 left

Any help would be great.

Matched Speed to Revs very low tilt and med rotation.
Sweetspot 105* totals 2.75:1 Ratio

Asymmetrical Layouts ....
Totally Strong ............65-4-20
Midlane .................... 55-4-30
Benchmark ............... 75-3-30
Long and Strong ....... 90-3-30
Control .................... 75-4-50 pin in the ring finger
low flare .................. 90-2-30

Symmetrical layouts ....
Benchmark .............. xx-4.5-25
Control .................... xx-4.75-40 pin above the bridge
low flare .................. xx-5.5-40

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 Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2018 7:12 am Post Number: #7 Post
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Since most of the above I believe comes from Mo's teachings I notices that in his latest video he said he never recommends pin to pap distances under 3.5 except when he goes for the low flare option of 90x2 1/4×45 layout

thought it was interesting that he never recommends anything above 5.5. under 3/4 or between 2 1/4 and 3.5. I'd love to know the reasoning why nothing between 2 1/4 and 3.5


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 Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:31 pm Post Number: #8 Post
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gunso wrote:
Since most of the above I believe comes from Mo's teachings I notices that in his latest video he said he never recommends pin to pap distances under 3.5 except when he goes for the low flare option of 90x2 1/4×45 layout

thought it was interesting that he never recommends anything above 5.5. under 3/4 or between 2 1/4 and 3.5. I'd love to know the reasoning why nothing between 2 1/4 and 3.5

Can you post a link to this latest video?

True, most of what I recommend comes from Mo's teachings. But I am not Mo and some of what I recommend is from my own experience.

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 Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:44 pm Post Number: #9 Post
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https://youtu.be/rOOZdetR2Fs

1:03:30 in or so he starts talking about it


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