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 Post subject: First ball out on freshly oiled house shot
 Posted: Thu May 24, 2018 5:56 pm Post Number: #1 Post
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My low game in both leagues this year was the first game. So I am looking to improve my first game ball reaction. On the left side with fresh oil, it plays sort of sport pattern like with not much miss room. The ball that works later in the 2nd game and 3rd is a bit too skid flip in the first game.

Are there some general rules of thumb for a controlled ball for the first game? My ForzaGT with a large Val angle (70) was controllable, but maybe not fully transitioning? Do I want high flare for fresh oil? Do I want lower RG to read the lane sooner? Just trying to learn any General ball principles for this situation in order to make a good choice for the next ball. Thanks!

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 Posted: Thu May 24, 2018 9:44 pm Post Number: #2 Post
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My low game in both leagues this year was the first game. So I am looking to improve my first game ball reaction. On the left side with fresh oil, it plays sort of sport pattern like with not much miss room. The ball that works later in the 2nd game and 3rd is a bit too skid flip in the first game.

Are there some general rules of thumb for a controlled ball for the first game? My ForzaGT with a large Val angle (70) was controllable, but maybe not fully transitioning? Do I want high flare for fresh oil? Do I want lower RG to read the lane sooner? Just trying to learn any General ball principles for this situation in order to make a good choice for the next ball. Thanks!


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 Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 1:56 am Post Number: #3 Post
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todvan wrote:
My low game in both leagues this year was the first game. So I am looking to improve my first game ball reaction. On the left side with fresh oil, it plays sort of sport pattern like with not much miss room. The ball that works later in the 2nd game and 3rd is a bit too skid flip in the first game.

Are there some general rules of thumb for a controlled ball for the first game? My ForzaGT with a large Val angle (70) was controllable, but maybe not fully transitioning? Do I want high flare for fresh oil? Do I want lower RG to read the lane sooner? Just trying to learn any General ball principles for this situation in order to make a good choice for the next ball. Thanks!

Have you tried surface? What is your strategy, down and in, small swing etc.. on the fresh?

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 Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 6:50 pm Post Number: #4 Post
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I guess I am leaning towards a bit stronger ball with a bit lower Val angle...pin in ring finer instead of below...unless there are any other ideas?

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 Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 11:41 pm Post Number: #5 Post
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Well since you don’t want to have a discussion on your game, I would advise a Strong Asymmetrical like a More Cash with a 70x3x30 to guarantee it comes in.

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 Posted: Sun May 27, 2018 12:20 am Post Number: #6 Post
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todvan wrote:
I guess I am leaning towards a bit stronger ball with a bit lower Val angle...pin in ring finer instead of below...unless there are any other ideas?


I am a fan of control drillings with dull surfaces for a first ball out of the bag. Remember fresh lane conditions also have fresh backends. No need for a ball to accentuate a strong backend reaction when the lanes are already giving it to you. This is right in line with your thinking with the larger VAL angle.

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 Posted: Sun May 27, 2018 12:43 am Post Number: #7 Post
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Thank you Eric, you are very helpful.

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