Layout Help Needed

Which layout is right for me?

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DustinD
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Axis Rotation: 40
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Layout Help Needed

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I recently used the Bowlers ID and got updated delivery stats. Im unsure how accurate it really is but i attached the results. My old PAP was 5" and 1-1/8" up and when measured before, rev rate was in 320s, tilt was 14 and rotation was 62.

Could I have my long and strong, becnchmark, control, strong and low falre drillings for my new stats?

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Dustin
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Positive Axis Point: 4-3/4" and 1/2"up
Speed: 16 off hand
Rev Rate: 330
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Axis Rotation: 45
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Re: Layout Help Needed

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It is going to be a couple of days before I can get to your request.
Posting a reply so it
will be in my post list when I get back to my computer.
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PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
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Re: Layout Help Needed

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bump
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EricHartwell
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Positive Axis Point: 4-3/4" and 1/2"up
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Re: Layout Help Needed

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First thing I would do Is verify your PAP on a ball that has significant amount of flare. I am assuming the Bowler ID was not with your own ball, it was on a ball that did not flare, is that correct?

You are slightly speed dominant with higher rotation.
Sweetspot 90* Totals, 1.25:1 Ratio

Asymmetrical Layouts
Totally Strong ............. 55-4.5-55
Midlane ..................... 30-4.5-40
Benchmark ................ 50-4.25-40
Long and Strong ......... 70-4.25-40
Control ...................... 50-3.75-60
low flare .................... 70-2.25-40

Symmetrical Layouts (drilling angle to the Cg)
Totally Strong ............. Double Thumb layout
Midlane ..................... 55-4-35 balance hole 1.5" below midline on the VAL
Benchmark ................ 55-4-35 P3
Long and Strong ......... 75-4.25-35
Control ...................... 65-4.25-55 balance hole 2" below midline on the VAL
low flare .................... 70-5-35
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Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
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Axis Rotation: 40
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Yes bowlers ID is on non flaring urethane ball that doesn't have my pitches or span
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Positive Axis Point: 4-3/4" and 1/2"up
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Axis Rotation: 45
Heavy Oil Ball: Radical Tremendous, EVO solid, Hammer Obsession
Medium Oil Ball: EVO pearl, True Motion, Columbia Command, DV8 Intimidator
Light Oil Ball: Blue Hammer
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I would definitely mark out your old PAP you had mentioned on a flaring ball and see how accurate that is, adjust as necessary before drilling anything up.
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Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
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Positive Axis Point: 5-1/2 over ; 1/2 up
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Rev Rate: 290
Axis Tilt: 12
Axis Rotation: 40
Preferred Company: Storm/RotoGrip

Re: Layout Help Needed

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Measured pap on high flare ball last night, my old PAP is correct. 5" over, 1-1/8" up.
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Post by snick »

I'm concerned that your axis tilt may different with your grip specs than listed from bowlerID.
Using an Armadillo to measure your PAP, what is the distance from your PAP to the first oil ring (closest to the gripline)? Armadillo has embossed lines on the surface in inches for finding this value.
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AT: 17º
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