I recently used the Bowlers ID and got updated delivery stats. Im unsure how accurate it really is but i attached the results. My old PAP was 5" and 1-1/8" up and when measured before, rev rate was in 320s, tilt was 14 and rotation was 62.
Could I have my long and strong, becnchmark, control, strong and low falre drillings for my new stats?
Thanks,
Dustin
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- Positive Axis Point: 5-1/2 over ; 1/2 up
- Speed: 15.5-16.5 on monitor
- Rev Rate: 290
- Axis Tilt: 12
- Axis Rotation: 40
- Preferred Company: Storm/RotoGrip
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- Positive Axis Point: 4-3/4" and 1/2"up
- Speed: 16 off hand
- Rev Rate: 330
- Axis Tilt: 12
- Axis Rotation: 45
- Heavy Oil Ball: Radical Tremendous, EVO solid, Hammer Obsession
- Medium Oil Ball: EVO pearl, True Motion, Columbia Command, DV8 Intimidator
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- Location: Michigan
Re: Layout Help Needed
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Eric Hartwell
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
- EricHartwell
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- Posts: 4080
- Joined: April 5th, 2011, 12:24 am
- Positive Axis Point: 4-3/4" and 1/2"up
- Speed: 16 off hand
- Rev Rate: 330
- Axis Tilt: 12
- Axis Rotation: 45
- Heavy Oil Ball: Radical Tremendous, EVO solid, Hammer Obsession
- Medium Oil Ball: EVO pearl, True Motion, Columbia Command, DV8 Intimidator
- Light Oil Ball: Blue Hammer
- Location: Michigan
Re: Layout Help Needed
First thing I would do Is verify your PAP on a ball that has significant amount of flare. I am assuming the Bowler ID was not with your own ball, it was on a ball that did not flare, is that correct?
You are slightly speed dominant with higher rotation.
Sweetspot 90* Totals, 1.25:1 Ratio
Asymmetrical Layouts
Totally Strong ............. 55-4.5-55
Midlane ..................... 30-4.5-40
Benchmark ................ 50-4.25-40
Long and Strong ......... 70-4.25-40
Control ...................... 50-3.75-60
low flare .................... 70-2.25-40
Symmetrical Layouts (drilling angle to the Cg)
Totally Strong ............. Double Thumb layout
Midlane ..................... 55-4-35 balance hole 1.5" below midline on the VAL
Benchmark ................ 55-4-35 P3
Long and Strong ......... 75-4.25-35
Control ...................... 65-4.25-55 balance hole 2" below midline on the VAL
low flare .................... 70-5-35
You are slightly speed dominant with higher rotation.
Sweetspot 90* Totals, 1.25:1 Ratio
Asymmetrical Layouts
Totally Strong ............. 55-4.5-55
Midlane ..................... 30-4.5-40
Benchmark ................ 50-4.25-40
Long and Strong ......... 70-4.25-40
Control ...................... 50-3.75-60
low flare .................... 70-2.25-40
Symmetrical Layouts (drilling angle to the Cg)
Totally Strong ............. Double Thumb layout
Midlane ..................... 55-4-35 balance hole 1.5" below midline on the VAL
Benchmark ................ 55-4-35 P3
Long and Strong ......... 75-4.25-35
Control ...................... 65-4.25-55 balance hole 2" below midline on the VAL
low flare .................... 70-5-35
Eric Hartwell
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
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- Member
- Posts: 48
- Joined: April 18th, 2012, 6:47 pm
- THS Average: 215
- Positive Axis Point: 5-1/2 over ; 1/2 up
- Speed: 15.5-16.5 on monitor
- Rev Rate: 290
- Axis Tilt: 12
- Axis Rotation: 40
- Preferred Company: Storm/RotoGrip
Re: Layout Help Needed
Yes bowlers ID is on non flaring urethane ball that doesn't have my pitches or span
- EricHartwell
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- Joined: April 5th, 2011, 12:24 am
- Positive Axis Point: 4-3/4" and 1/2"up
- Speed: 16 off hand
- Rev Rate: 330
- Axis Tilt: 12
- Axis Rotation: 45
- Heavy Oil Ball: Radical Tremendous, EVO solid, Hammer Obsession
- Medium Oil Ball: EVO pearl, True Motion, Columbia Command, DV8 Intimidator
- Light Oil Ball: Blue Hammer
- Location: Michigan
Re: Layout Help Needed
I would definitely mark out your old PAP you had mentioned on a flaring ball and see how accurate that is, adjust as necessary before drilling anything up.
Eric Hartwell
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
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- Member
- Posts: 48
- Joined: April 18th, 2012, 6:47 pm
- THS Average: 215
- Positive Axis Point: 5-1/2 over ; 1/2 up
- Speed: 15.5-16.5 on monitor
- Rev Rate: 290
- Axis Tilt: 12
- Axis Rotation: 40
- Preferred Company: Storm/RotoGrip
Re: Layout Help Needed
Measured pap on high flare ball last night, my old PAP is correct. 5" over, 1-1/8" up.
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- THS Average: 196
- Sport Average: 180
- Positive Axis Point: 5.5625" x .625 up
- Speed: 17 off hand
- Rev Rate: 360
- Axis Tilt: 17
- Axis Rotation: 55
- Heavy Oil Ball: Storm Physix
- Medium Oil Ball: Storm Streetfight
- Light Oil Ball: Rotogrip Hustle Pearl
- Preferred Company: Rotogrip
- Location: Tucson, AZ
Re: Layout Help Needed
I'm concerned that your axis tilt may different with your grip specs than listed from bowlerID.
Using an Armadillo to measure your PAP, what is the distance from your PAP to the first oil ring (closest to the gripline)? Armadillo has embossed lines on the surface in inches for finding this value.
Using an Armadillo to measure your PAP, what is the distance from your PAP to the first oil ring (closest to the gripline)? Armadillo has embossed lines on the surface in inches for finding this value.
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Byron
RH
PAP: 5.5625 x .625 up
REVRATE: 360
SPEED: 17mph at release
AR: 55º
AT: 17º
Byron
RH
PAP: 5.5625 x .625 up
REVRATE: 360
SPEED: 17mph at release
AR: 55º
AT: 17º