Current nuggets: Mako: 60x5x25, Paradox Black: 55x4 7/8x30,
Maverick Pearl: 55x5x35
Lately my carry has been rough & when I miss light, it's a 2-10 or a combo of that split. Seems like with my ball speed & low tilt, just getting a lot of over/under.
With my specs, wondering if I need some different layouts?
Have an undrilled Mako, Real One, & Warrior Supreme . Possible layouts:
Mako: 60x4x30, get down lane, but stronger motion down lane
Real One: 50x 4 -1/4 - 4 1/2x35, coverstock helps it get down lane & roll strong when pattern breaks down
Warrior Supreme: 70x3x40, similar to Mo's 90x2 1/2x40, but with my speed, figure it would be better to go with 70 drill angle. Allow me to start straighter on tighter patterns with a strong ball &/or when they break down & looking for a smooth motion, when Real One & Mako too strong down lane.
Will be looking to add a pearl later, as well. Thoughts?
3 ball layputs.......
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- Positive Axis Point: 5 1/4 right & 3/4 up
- Speed: 16-17
- Rev Rate: 300
- Axis Tilt: 8*
- Axis Rotation: 45*
3 ball layputs.......
Right hand
PAP: 5 1/4" right & 3/4" up
Speed: 16-17
Revs: 290-320
Tilt: 7*
Rotation: 35-45*
PAP: 5 1/4" right & 3/4" up
Speed: 16-17
Revs: 290-320
Tilt: 7*
Rotation: 35-45*
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- Positive Axis Point: 4-3/4" and 1/2"up
- Speed: 16 off hand
- Rev Rate: 330
- Axis Tilt: 12
- Axis Rotation: 45
- Heavy Oil Ball: Radical Tremendous, EVO solid, Hammer Obsession
- Medium Oil Ball: EVO pearl, True Motion, Columbia Command, DV8 Intimidator
- Light Oil Ball: Blue Hammer
- Location: Michigan
Re: 3 ball layputs.......
Short answer is Yes, you need some different layouts. Your Pin to PAP's are too long.dballz wrote:Current nuggets: Mako: 60x5x25, Paradox Black: 55x4 7/8x30,
Maverick Pearl: 55x5x35
Lately my carry has been rough & when I miss light, it's a 2-10 or a combo of that split. Seems like with my ball speed & low tilt, just getting a lot of over/under.
With my specs, wondering if I need some different layouts?
Have an undrilled Mako, Real One, & Warrior Supreme . Possible layouts:
Mako: 60x4x30, get down lane, but stronger motion down lane
Real One: 50x 4 -1/4 - 4 1/2x35, coverstock helps it get down lane & roll strong when pattern breaks down
Warrior Supreme: 70x3x40, similar to Mo's 90x2 1/2x40, but with my speed, figure it would be better to go with 70 drill angle. Allow me to start straighter on tighter patterns with a strong ball &/or when they break down & looking for a smooth motion, when Real One & Mako too strong down lane.
Will be looking to add a pearl later, as well. Thoughts?
How is your speed measured?
Eric Hartwell
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
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- Member
- Posts: 200
- Joined: July 16th, 2010, 5:13 pm
- THS Average: 220
- Positive Axis Point: 5 1/4 right & 3/4 up
- Speed: 16-17
- Rev Rate: 300
- Axis Tilt: 8*
- Axis Rotation: 45*
Re: 3 ball layputs.......
Been a while, but hink it was last measured down lane & was around 16. Working on that part of my game. Drilled a Real One: 50* × 4 1/2" × 40* & rolls really good.
Right hand
PAP: 5 1/4" right & 3/4" up
Speed: 16-17
Revs: 290-320
Tilt: 7*
Rotation: 35-45*
PAP: 5 1/4" right & 3/4" up
Speed: 16-17
Revs: 290-320
Tilt: 7*
Rotation: 35-45*
- EricHartwell
- Trusted Source
- Posts: 4080
- Joined: April 5th, 2011, 12:24 am
- Positive Axis Point: 4-3/4" and 1/2"up
- Speed: 16 off hand
- Rev Rate: 330
- Axis Tilt: 12
- Axis Rotation: 45
- Heavy Oil Ball: Radical Tremendous, EVO solid, Hammer Obsession
- Medium Oil Ball: EVO pearl, True Motion, Columbia Command, DV8 Intimidator
- Light Oil Ball: Blue Hammer
- Location: Michigan
Re: 3 ball layputs.......
You think that rolls well, try using your Benchmark as I figure it on an Asymmetrical ball like the Real one.dballz wrote:Been a while, but hink it was last measured down lane & was around 16. Working on that part of my game. Drilled a Real One: 50* × 4 1/2" × 40* & rolls really good.
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Right hand
PAP: 5 1/4" right & 3/4" up
Speed: 16-17
Revs: 290-320
Tilt: 7*
Rotation: 35-45*
Sweetspot 100* total, 2.25:1 Ratio
Basic Asymmetrical Layouts ...
Totally Strong ........ 60-4.5-20
Midlane ................. 50-4-30
Benchmark ............ 70-3.5-30
Long and Strong .... 90-3.5-30
Control ................. 70-3-50
low flare ............... 90-2.25-30
Eric Hartwell
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
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- Member
- Posts: 200
- Joined: July 16th, 2010, 5:13 pm
- THS Average: 220
- Positive Axis Point: 5 1/4 right & 3/4 up
- Speed: 16-17
- Rev Rate: 300
- Axis Tilt: 8*
- Axis Rotation: 45*
Re: 3 ball layputs.......
You think that rolls well, try using your Benchmark as I figure it on an Asymmetrical ball like the Real one.
Sweetspot 100* total, 2.25:1 Ratio
Basic Asymmetrical Layouts ...
Totally Strong ........ 60-4.5-20
Midlane ................. 50-4-30
Benchmark ............ 70-3.5-30
Long and Strong .... 90-3.5-30
Control ................. 70-3-50
low flare ............... 90-2.25-30[/quote]
building off the Real One, drill Warrior Supreme with your midlane or Totally Strong suggestion? Appreciate the info Eric!!.
Sweetspot 100* total, 2.25:1 Ratio
Basic Asymmetrical Layouts ...
Totally Strong ........ 60-4.5-20
Midlane ................. 50-4-30
Benchmark ............ 70-3.5-30
Long and Strong .... 90-3.5-30
Control ................. 70-3-50
low flare ............... 90-2.25-30[/quote]
building off the Real One, drill Warrior Supreme with your midlane or Totally Strong suggestion? Appreciate the info Eric!!.
Right hand
PAP: 5 1/4" right & 3/4" up
Speed: 16-17
Revs: 290-320
Tilt: 7*
Rotation: 35-45*
PAP: 5 1/4" right & 3/4" up
Speed: 16-17
Revs: 290-320
Tilt: 7*
Rotation: 35-45*
- EricHartwell
- Trusted Source
- Posts: 4080
- Joined: April 5th, 2011, 12:24 am
- Positive Axis Point: 4-3/4" and 1/2"up
- Speed: 16 off hand
- Rev Rate: 330
- Axis Tilt: 12
- Axis Rotation: 45
- Heavy Oil Ball: Radical Tremendous, EVO solid, Hammer Obsession
- Medium Oil Ball: EVO pearl, True Motion, Columbia Command, DV8 Intimidator
- Light Oil Ball: Blue Hammer
- Location: Michigan
Re: 3 ball layputs.......
The Real One is already a Midlane drilling with a very strong pin to PAP. I would put it in the Sport layout category.dballz wrote:building off the Real One, drill Warrior Supreme with your midlane or Totally Strong suggestion? Appreciate the info Eric!!.
My strongest recommendation is for a Benchmark layout. Then you will have a very good baseline to work from.
Eric Hartwell
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand