I am looking for suggestion on a totally strong layout for a Pyramid Force.
Ball is 3oz top weight with 2 3/4" pin.
Ball specs are
RG 2.53
Diff .051
MB .019
Will be for synthetic lanes
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Totally strong layout
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Totally strong layout
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PAP-5 1/16 by 3/4 up
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Re: Totally strong layout
In a previous Post I figured your Benchmark and gave you a List that included the Totally Strong layout.... 45-4.5-25 Use a P2.5 hole on PAP to maintain static weightsLledsmarttam wrote:I am looking for suggestion on a totally strong layout for a Pyramid Force.
Ball is 3oz top weight with 2 3/4" pin.
Ball specs are
RG 2.53
Diff .051
MB .019
Will be for synthetic lanes
Stats below in signature
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EricHartwell wrote: Benchmark 90* Total, 1.5:1 Ratio
Basic arsenal.....
Asymmetrical
Totally Strong ....... 45-4.5-25
Midlane ............... 35-4.25-35
Benchmark .......... 55-4.25-35
Long and Strong ... 75-4.25-35
Control ................ 55-3.75-55
low flare .............. 75-2.25-35
Symmetrical
Totally Strong ....... Double Thumb
Midlane ............... 60-4-30 balance hole 1.5" below midline on the VAL
Benchmark .......... 60-4-30 P3
Long and Strong ... 80-4-30
Control ................ Pin in the Ring Finger
low flare .............. 75-5-30
Eric Hartwell
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
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Re: Totally strong layout
EricHartwell wrote: In a previous Post I figured your Benchmark and gave you a List that included the Totally Strong layout.... 45-4.5-25 Use a P2.5 hole on PAP to maintain static weights
Thanks Eric. Just an FYI I attempted to get a longer pin placement for stronger balance hole possibilities but because of limited stock they sent me the longest they had left.
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-Knowledge is power-
PAP-5 1/16 by 3/4 up
Speed-14-15mph on monitor
Rev-325rpm
Tilt-10*
Rotation-70*-90*
PAP-5 1/16 by 3/4 up
Speed-14-15mph on monitor
Rev-325rpm
Tilt-10*
Rotation-70*-90*
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- Heavy Oil Ball: Radical Tremendous, EVO solid, Hammer Obsession
- Medium Oil Ball: EVO pearl, True Motion, Columbia Command, DV8 Intimidator
- Light Oil Ball: Blue Hammer
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Re: Totally strong layout
It is often difficult to get the perfect pin distance and top weight combination when ordering a new ball.
The P2.5 will work out well to maintains statics and will increase the strength.
Even without a balance hole this layout is very Strong.
The P2.5 will work out well to maintains statics and will increase the strength.
Even without a balance hole this layout is very Strong.
Eric Hartwell
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
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- Axis Rotation: 70
- Heavy Oil Ball: Optimus solid
- Medium Oil Ball: Antidote, Zero Gravity
- Light Oil Ball: Rave On,Pathogen
- Location: Lake Geneva WI
Re: Totally strong layout
EricHartwell wrote:It is often difficult to get the perfect pin distance and top weight combination when ordering a new ball.
The P2.5 will work out well to maintains statics and will increase the strength.
Even without a balance hole this layout is very Strong.
That is good. Kinda what I'm looking for.
Can I ask why pin placement in layout is at 4.5"? Isn't this away from the recommended closer to 3" rule for low tilt with assms?
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PAP-5 1/16 by 3/4 up
Speed-14-15mph on monitor
Rev-325rpm
Tilt-10*
Rotation-70*-90*
PAP-5 1/16 by 3/4 up
Speed-14-15mph on monitor
Rev-325rpm
Tilt-10*
Rotation-70*-90*
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- Axis Rotation: 45
- Heavy Oil Ball: Radical Tremendous, EVO solid, Hammer Obsession
- Medium Oil Ball: EVO pearl, True Motion, Columbia Command, DV8 Intimidator
- Light Oil Ball: Blue Hammer
- Location: Michigan
Re: Totally strong layout
High Rotation accompanying the low tilt. 4.5" pin to PAP read the friction harder to help burn off the rotation to get Totally Strong. Sure you could shorten the Pin to PAP but in doing so will push the roll further down lane and wouldn't be Totally Strong. Realize this is a long oil type layout.Lledsmarttam wrote:
That is good. Kinda what I'm looking for.
Can I ask why pin placement in layout is at 4.5"? Isn't this away from the recommended closer to 3" rule for low tilt with assms?
Eric Hartwell
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
Right Handed
PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand
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- Member
- Posts: 136
- Joined: August 8th, 2017, 1:40 am
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- Positive Axis Point: 5 1/16 by 3/4 up
- Speed: 14-15 mph on monitor
- Rev Rate: 325
- Axis Tilt: 10
- Axis Rotation: 70
- Heavy Oil Ball: Optimus solid
- Medium Oil Ball: Antidote, Zero Gravity
- Light Oil Ball: Rave On,Pathogen
- Location: Lake Geneva WI
Re: Totally strong layout
Decided to go with the mid lane layout for the Force. 35x4.25x35 with P2.5 balance hole. Haven't rolled it yet but can't wait. Our leagues start next week so starting to get antsy!
Eric thanks again for your expertise, it is appreciated more than you know.
Eric thanks again for your expertise, it is appreciated more than you know.
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PAP-5 1/16 by 3/4 up
Speed-14-15mph on monitor
Rev-325rpm
Tilt-10*
Rotation-70*-90*
PAP-5 1/16 by 3/4 up
Speed-14-15mph on monitor
Rev-325rpm
Tilt-10*
Rotation-70*-90*