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 Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 3:44 pm Post Number: #1 Post
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I am looking for suggestion on a totally strong layout for a Pyramid Force.

Ball is 3oz top weight with 2 3/4" pin.

Ball specs are
RG 2.53
Diff .051
MB .019

Will be for synthetic lanes

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 Post subject: Re: Totally strong layout
 Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 4:36 pm Post Number: #2 Post
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Lledsmarttam wrote:
I am looking for suggestion on a totally strong layout for a Pyramid Force.

Ball is 3oz top weight with 2 3/4" pin.

Ball specs are
RG 2.53
Diff .051
MB .019

Will be for synthetic lanes

Stats below in signature

In a previous Post I figured your Benchmark and gave you a List that included the Totally Strong layout.... 45-4.5-25 Use a P2.5 hole on PAP to maintain static weights

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Benchmark 90* Total, 1.5:1 Ratio

Basic arsenal.....
Asymmetrical
Totally Strong ....... 45-4.5-25
Midlane ............... 35-4.25-35
Benchmark .......... 55-4.25-35
Long and Strong ... 75-4.25-35
Control ................ 55-3.75-55
low flare .............. 75-2.25-35

Symmetrical
Totally Strong ....... Double Thumb
Midlane ............... 60-4-30 balance hole 1.5" below midline on the VAL
Benchmark .......... 60-4-30 P3
Long and Strong ... 80-4-30
Control ................ Pin in the Ring Finger
low flare .............. 75-5-30

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 Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 4:45 pm Post Number: #3 Post
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EricHartwell wrote:
In a previous Post I figured your Benchmark and gave you a List that included the Totally Strong layout.... 45-4.5-25 Use a P2.5 hole on PAP to maintain static weights

Thanks Eric. Just an FYI I attempted to get a longer pin placement for stronger balance hole possibilities but because of limited stock they sent me the longest they had left
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 Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:00 pm Post Number: #4 Post
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It is often difficult to get the perfect pin distance and top weight combination when ordering a new ball.

The P2.5 will work out well to maintains statics and will increase the strength.

Even without a balance hole this layout is very Strong.

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 Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 10:22 pm Post Number: #5 Post
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EricHartwell wrote:
It is often difficult to get the perfect pin distance and top weight combination when ordering a new ball.

The P2.5 will work out well to maintains statics and will increase the strength.

Even without a balance hole this layout is very Strong.



That is good. Kinda what I'm looking for.
Can I ask why pin placement in layout is at 4.5"? Isn't this away from the recommended closer to 3" rule for low tilt with assms?

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That is good. Kinda what I'm looking for.
Can I ask why pin placement in layout is at 4.5"? Isn't this away from the recommended closer to 3" rule for low tilt with assms?

High Rotation accompanying the low tilt. 4.5" pin to PAP read the friction harder to help burn off the rotation to get Totally Strong. Sure you could shorten the Pin to PAP but in doing so will push the roll further down lane and wouldn't be Totally Strong. Realize this is a long oil type layout.

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Decided to go with the mid lane layout for the Force. 35x4.25x35 with P2.5 balance hole. Haven't rolled it yet but can't wait. Our leagues start next week so starting to get antsy!

Eric thanks again for your expertise, it is appreciated more than you know.

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