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Author:  jannepalo [ Wed Sep 21, 2016 5:00 pm ]
Post subject:  40 tilt 70 rot Track Cyborg & Radical Cash layouts

Hi!
I have not drilled many Track balls before and the bowlers has challenging specs.
Track Cyborg
--> http://www.trackbowling.com/products/balls/upper-mid-performance/cyborg
--> Link to bowlers specs
--> Couble videos taken few months back when throwing guru master 45/3/50

In the second link you find the image that has the layout that I have been planning on.
Bowlers specs are 40 tilt , 70 rotation, 17mph offhand, 235 rpm.
The lanes he bowls on are New Brunswick Pro lanes.
He wants this ball for fresh easy THS.

Im thinking 25/5,25/60 and P3-P4 if necessary

Author:  EricHartwell [ Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:46 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 40 tilt 70 rot Track Cyborg layout

.007 mass bias rating is basically a Symmetrical.
You will most Definitely want a P4 balance hole equal to or larger than the thumb hole.
Without a balance hole it will be a low flare symmetrical layout ~80-5.25-62,5

Author:  Arkansas [ Fri Sep 23, 2016 7:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 40 tilt 70 rot Track Cyborg layout

jannepalo wrote:
Hi!
I have not drilled many Track balls before and the bowlers has challenging specs.
Track Cyborg
--> http://www.trackbowling.com/products/balls/upper-mid-performance/cyborg
--> Link to bowlers specs
--> Couble videos taken few months back when throwing guru master 45/3/50

In the second link you find the image that has the layout that I have been planning on.
Bowlers specs are 40 tilt , 70 rotation, 17mph offhand, 235 rpm.
The lanes he bowls on are New Brunswick Pro lanes.
He wants this ball for fresh easy THS.

Im thinking 25/5,25/60 and P3-P4 if necessary

Sounds like a perfect candidate for a double thumb layout. The ball has good specs for it too.

Author:  EricHartwell [ Fri Sep 23, 2016 11:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 40 tilt 70 rot Track Cyborg layout

Arkansas wrote:
Sounds like a perfect candidate for a double thumb layout. The ball has good specs for it too.

Unfortunately the Cg is at least 1" left of the line from Pin to Mass Bias.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B18M6xxRoG8_bDhyX3V2UlRrTlk/view

With the short horizontal PAP component the base layout for the Double Thumb layout will put the Cg left of grip center. Also the request is for an easy THS shot, the Double Thumb layout will be way too strong imo.

Author:  Dustin [ Fri Sep 23, 2016 11:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 40 tilt 70 rot Track Cyborg layout

Here is a topic on Modified Double Thumb layouts.
http://forum.bowlingchat.net/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=9320&hilit

Author:  EricHartwell [ Fri Sep 23, 2016 11:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 40 tilt 70 rot Track Cyborg layout

Modified Double Thumb layout for this bowler would be ~30-4-30 P4

Cut and pasted from Track's website...
Our new QR-7 Hybrid cover has a lot of familiarities in chemical composition with our QR-9 covers used on the highly successful Paradox line. This cover is perfect for those looking for strong overall hooking power on medium to heavy oil patterns.

I think jannepalo has it right with the 25-5.25-62,5 for the itended use on an easy house shot. But to make it work a P4 balance hole will be needed to create the Asymmetry needed to be a successful layout.

Author:  jannepalo [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 40 tilt 70 rot Track Cyborg layout

We went with the layout I was thinking and the ball was nice after adding little surface. He still uses the ball on ths.
Now he needs a ball for league that would work in heavy oil. I have been thinking Radical Fix with 35/3,75/30.

Author:  EricHartwell [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 40 tilt 70 rot Track Cyborg layout

jannepalo wrote:
We went with the layout I was thinking and the ball was nice after adding little surface. He still uses the ball on ths.
Now he needs a ball for league that would work in heavy oil. I have been thinking Radical Fix with 35/3,75/30.

You are going to need a VERY long pin to Cg. Close to 5"
You will also want less than 3 oz top weight.

If the ball specs are not optimum I would consider (drilling angle to Cg)50-3-50 balance hole 2" below midline on the VAL.
This is a pin the the ring finger layout.

Author:  jannepalo [ Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:28 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 40 tilt 70 rot Track Cyborg & Radical Fix layouts

I really would like to go with something stronger. What would be the current -go to- ball in Brunswick/DV8/Radical line for high tilt bowler?

Author:  MegaMav [ Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 40 tilt 70 rot Track Cyborg & Radical Fix layouts

jannepalo wrote:
I really would like to go with something stronger. What would be the current -go to- ball in Brunswick/DV8/Radical line for high tilt bowler?


Look for balls with High INT Diff to transition the ball faster.
Stronger covers help too.

Cash, More Cash, Katana

Author:  jannepalo [ Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 40 tilt 70 rot Track Cyborg & Radical Fix layouts

MegaMav wrote:

Look for balls with High INT Diff to transition the ball faster.
Stronger covers help too.

Cash, More Cash, Katana


I ordered the Cash from our importer. I got one with 3-4" pin.
Im thinking 35/4,75/35 with this one.
>>PICTURE<<

Author:  MegaMav [ Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 40 tilt 70 rot Track Cyborg & Radical Fix layouts

jannepalo wrote:

I ordered the Cash from our importer. I got one with 3-4" pin.
Im thinking 35/4,75/35 with this one.
>>PICTURE<<


Go for it!
Drill the ring finger 3.25" deep.

Author:  ads [ Sun Nov 26, 2017 6:58 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 40 tilt 70 rot Track Cyborg & Radical Cash layouts

Couldn't find much info on modified DT. How is it different from DT (30* VAL and 4" PAP-PIN)

Author:  Dustin [ Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:30 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 40 tilt 70 rot Track Cyborg & Radical Cash layouts

http://forum.bowlingchat.net/viewtopic.php?p=73730#p73730

Author:  ads [ Mon Nov 27, 2017 6:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 40 tilt 70 rot Track Cyborg & Radical Cash layouts

Dustin wrote:


Thanks. From the post and the other posts which it led me to, the Modified DT gives a lot of flexibility and combinations of PAP-PIN distance and balance hole location.

PAP-PIN distance - "a modified double thumb layout with the pin 4 1/2 -5 " to the PAP" viewtopic.php?p=3863#p3863

and Mo said, "Try a "Double Thumb" angle set up with a 4 3/4" pin to PAP distance. The balance hole options become endless. It's, then, up to how good your decisions are." viewtopic.php?p=3870#p3870

The PAP-PIN distance of modified DT layout can be somewhere between 4.5" (or 4"?) to 5". And the balance hole location can be further away from the thumb hole (1.5 inches base). The modified DT layout is good for low tilt bowler to reduce jumpiness if I understand correctly.

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