Reverse finger pitch for two hander?

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Reverse finger pitch for two hander?

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Hello! My ball was originally drilled for one handed style. I think I currently have forward pitch for both finger holes. I found out that Mo suggested 7/16 for laterals and 1/4 forward for MF and 3/8 reverse for RF. I dont have any problems with flaring over my MF, so I think I dont really need to add more forward pitch to my MF.

Currently, my issue is the fit. I feel like the ball isnt really sitting in my hand firmly. Will adding 3/8 reverse help?
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If you know someone who uses significant reverse ask him if you could borrow a ball for a few games, offer to buy him new inserts after you are done. Take out his inserts, put on yours and bowl a couple of games. 3/4" Reverse on both fingers works very good for me, once one learns a proper release, one learns to like getting out of the ball fast.
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Do you know what pitch you have in the fingers now, because 3/8" pitch change is a fairly large pitch change. Not to say it's wrong just seems like a big change.
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Dustin wrote:Do you know what pitch you have in the fingers now, because 3/8" pitch change is a fairly large pitch change. Not to say it's wrong just seems like a big change.

I have no idea as the driller didnt tell me. But I know that they are forward.

Also, what should I do with my thumbhole? Should I move it to the right of the midline like Belmonte and Osku? Right now, the hole is not in the center of my palm. It's at the base of my thumb when I put my hand on the ball.
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For no thumb bowlers with either a one or two handed approach, the third hole (thumbhole) has more to do with layout, in symmetrical core balls the third hole will define the PSA and therefore will be used to define the drilling angle.
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For no-thumb bowlers the third hole isn't a thumb hole, it's a balance hole unless the ball is statically legal based on both a grip center between the finger holes and a standard grip center for a bowler that uses his thumb. It's not easy to lay a ball out that is legal both ways, but it can be done. -- JohnP
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Thanks for the help, everyone.
I went with 1/2" reverse for both fingers. It feels a lot better. Also, I got my spare ball :P.

The PSO told me everyone gets 3/8" lateral pitch and told me not to go with 7/16". Is this true..?
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brood915 wrote:Thanks for the help, everyone.
I went with 1/2" reverse for both fingers. It feels a lot better. Also, I got my spare ball :P.

The PSO told me everyone gets 3/8" lateral pitch and told me not to go with 7/16". Is this true..?
I'll bet it's true he drills every ball that way.

In general, when a PSO makes a statement about "everyone" needing the same pitch, he likely has bowlers with torn up fingers or huge blisters/calluses on their thumbs.
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brood915 wrote:The PSO told me everyone gets 3/8" lateral pitch and told me not to go with 7/16". Is this true..?
Amateur shops (AmShop) use the words always and never and apply their paradigm regardless of customer needs (or complaints).
Professional shops (ProShop) keep an open mind to all anatomical possibilities and fit solutions.
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3/8", 3/8"...7/16", 7/16"... Some say tomato some say tomatoe... If you can play 8 games and have no rub spot/blister on the sides of your fingers leave it like it is, if not go to an IBPSIA certified pro shop and have them look at your hand and adjust for the rub spot(s). Many people just do the 3/8", 3/8" thing since the 1980's, don't know what a CLT line is and like said have customers with torn fingers who say they are proud of their bowling callouses... Bowling thumbless you can get away with more but always beware of shops who use the word always or never when it comes to fitting... I bet that the majority of the balls they drill are pin over the RF and OOB surface... Glad you liked 1/2" reverse, I bet the ball comes out better, remember to release on to the lane and not up towards the air, let the ball roll of your hand, don't lift it up with your fingers... Enjoy.
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Mo suggested I to go to an oval thumb to get out of the ball sooner and so far he's right. Listen to what he suggests and don't second guess.
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