Lower speed rev dominant

Which layout is right for me?

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Lower speed rev dominant

Post by rf67pccb » June 16th, 2022, 12:09 am

Without getting into release specs, in general a bowler with speed approximately 15 mph off hand very rev dominant at 400 plus. League pattern medium volume a definite top hat condition with zero conditioner outside of 7-8.

I suggested a short pin layout but he believes that hooks too much. Any brainstorming ideas. He has tried many things and may be close to hanging it up.
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Re: Lower speed rev dominant

Post by 44boyd » June 16th, 2022, 12:12 pm

Go down in ball weight
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Re: Lower speed rev dominant

Post by rf67pccb » June 16th, 2022, 4:59 pm

Not a viable option. Already at 14# and 13# to light
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Re: Lower speed rev dominant

Post by 44boyd » June 18th, 2022, 3:30 am

How’s it too light? They’re rolling it 12mph down lane, not seeing how it’s not viable if they’re thinking about quitting
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Re: Lower speed rev dominant

Post by trackbowler » June 22nd, 2022, 2:30 am

Pitch changes to lower their rev rate?

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From the post:

* To Decrease Rev Rate - add 1/8 reverse to both fingers and 1/8 forward to thumb
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Re: Lower speed rev dominant

Post by rf67pccb » June 22nd, 2022, 1:12 pm

Increasing the speed 2-3 mph or going to 13# are not happening. What about semi fingertip or closer to conventional to reduce revs by 75 or so? Any success stories out there? We are both older bowlers and he is very discouraged, but he is experiencing a terrible over/under reaction on all local house conditions. I really feel his pain. I overcame this problem with high angles and short pins, however he feels this does not work for him. His rev rate is just way to high and is problematic for sure. HELP?????
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Re: Lower speed rev dominant

Post by trackbowler » June 22nd, 2022, 6:40 pm

If you're going to change his grip why not go with the pitch changes above instead of semi fingertip/conventional and see how that effects him?
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Re: Lower speed rev dominant

Post by kajmk » June 23rd, 2022, 3:22 am

Rorey, is decreasing revs a viable option?
Just wondering.

One way
http://bowlingknowledge.info/index.php? ... view&id=31

Another way, using a wrist device.

On a tangent, different sport but similar principal, that is less becoming more.

"He began to sacrifice speed for accuracy. Slowly, Koufax gained control of his unruly fastball. Koufax explained his transformation in John Grabowski's book, Sandy Koufax, saying that he became a good pitcher when he stopped trying to make batters miss the ball and started trying to make them hit it." After which Sandy dominated the National league for 6 years until arthritis forced retirement.
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Re: Lower speed rev dominant

Post by EricHartwell » June 23rd, 2022, 8:35 pm

Maybe try a lower end ball. Something with a Higher Rg, Lower differential and a Weaker cover if he is unwilling to change his delivery and/or the area of the lane where he is playing.
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Re: Lower speed rev dominant

Post by MegaMav » June 23rd, 2022, 11:20 pm

EricHartwell wrote:
June 23rd, 2022, 8:35 pm
Maybe try a lower end ball. Something with a Higher Rg, Lower differential and a Weaker cover if he is unwilling to change his delivery and/or the area of the lane where he is playing.
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Re: Lower speed rev dominant

Post by kajmk » June 26th, 2022, 11:00 pm

On generating more speed with the legs and pendulum swing ...



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Re: Lower speed rev dominant

Post by kajmk » June 26th, 2022, 11:01 pm

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