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Re: Layout advice

Post by EricHartwell » October 2nd, 2021, 9:49 pm

Walkerman10000 wrote:
September 30th, 2021, 2:51 pm
I haven’t actually gotten back to the pro shop yet to remeasure my PAP, but from looking at the flare rings on the Nuclear Cell when wiping it down between shots, the rings are noticeably closer to the thumb, and looks more like what my PAP was previously which was something like 4 1/2 inches by 1/2 up, but I’m going to drill a IQ Tour Nano Pearl a week from Saturday and we will remeasure my PAP and tilt to see if it’s changed and how much if it has changed. I live 2 hours away from the Proshop that I use to drill my equipment, so that’s why I haven’t actually remeasured my PAP yet, but I’ve also only been bowling 5 days with the pitch change in my ring finger.
Walkerman10000 wrote:
September 30th, 2021, 2:11 pm
I’m pre ordering a Radical Trailblazer, which layout would you recommend for me on that ball? I’m thinking the long and strong or control layout
Verify your release specs.
If you are in the 10* Tilt range I like the Control Layout 80-2.5-55 for you on the Trailblazer.
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Re: Layout advice

Post by Walkerman10000 » October 2nd, 2021, 10:40 pm

I’m going to the Proshop tomorrow Eric to pick up a ball that i had the Proshop drill out a oval sleeve to put in a slug with an oval milled, and when I go to pick the ball up, we are going to re measure my PAP and tilt, so once I have the new info I’ll post it so we can get my new sweet spot numbers etc
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Re: Layout advice

Post by Walkerman10000 » October 3rd, 2021, 8:28 pm

Ok my new PAP is 4 5/8 over and 1/4 up and my tilt is 15 degrees. I’m pretty satisfied with the pitch change and I’m not going to mess with anything for a few years unless I get hurt or something.
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Re: Layout advice

Post by EricHartwell » October 3rd, 2021, 9:23 pm

Walkerman10000 wrote:
October 3rd, 2021, 8:28 pm
Ok my new PAP is 4 5/8 over and 1/4 up and my tilt is 15 degrees. I’m pretty satisfied with the pitch change and I’m not going to mess with anything for a few years unless I get hurt or something.
Add your Tilt and Rotation numbers in your profile so we have easy reference when discussing layouts.

If you are dealing with skimpy oil patterns (low volume), like many of us today. Layouts that retain tilt longer will be desirable.
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Re: Layout advice

Post by Walkerman10000 » October 3rd, 2021, 9:29 pm

Ok my profile is updated with my current stats. So will my layouts move more towards the first set that you gave me Eric? Or will you refigure them please and I promise I won’t need new ones for a few years, but your layouts do so well for me. The THS that I’m bowling on is 23 units of Brunswick Control oil, 40 feet in length. I bowl on Brunswick synthetics. I’m also going to be bowling in a PBA sport league starting in November so if you could add my sport pattern layouts also that would be cool!
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Re: Layout advice

Post by EricHartwell » October 3rd, 2021, 11:10 pm

Positive Axis Point: 4 5/8' ---> by 1/4" ^
Speed: 15 mph off my hand
Rev Rate: 330
Axis Tilt: 15
Axis Rotation: 55

110* Totals 1.75:1 Ratio

Asymmetrical Layouts
Totally Strong ............... 60-5-30
Midlane ....................... 50-4.5-40
Benchmark ................... 70-4-40
Long and Strong ............. 90-4-40
Control ....................... 70-2.75-60
low flare ..................... 90-2-40
low flare control ............ 70-1.5-60

Short Sport ................... 35-4.5-65
Med Sport .................... 30-5-50 Adjust to Pin in the Middle Finger
Long Sport ....................35-5-35

Symmetrical Layouts
Strongest ..................... xx-4-25
Benchmark ................... xx-4.5-35
Control ....................... xx-4.5-50 adjust to Pin in the Ring Finger
low flare ..................... xx-5.5-30
low flare control ............ xx-5.5-60

I've added what I am calling the low flare control.
These layouts are pushing the limits of low flare.
Basically taking the effect of the core to a minimum.
Something like this is for when you want a ball drilled very weak for totally burned up lanes.
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Re: Layout advice

Post by Walkerman10000 » October 3rd, 2021, 11:27 pm

Would you use the totally strong layout for a purple hammer, or maybe a pitch black urethane?
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Re: Layout advice

Post by EricHartwell » October 4th, 2021, 12:28 am

Walkerman10000 wrote:
October 3rd, 2021, 11:27 pm
Would you use the totally strong layout for a purple hammer, or maybe a pitch black urethane?
Yes, and I would drill the thumb hole 4-1/2" deep as well. Trying to get as much flare as possible out of their weak cores.
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Re: Layout advice

Post by MegaMav » October 6th, 2021, 4:02 am

If you can remeasure your tilt after the fit change, I can help you with a layout.
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Re: Layout advice

Post by Walkerman10000 » October 9th, 2021, 9:26 pm

Just drilled up an !Q Tour Nano Pearl with xx-4.5-30, and man I’m going to love this ball a lot, so much so I’m thinking about buying a second one or at least the original !Q Tour! Thanks again for the recommended layouts Eric, every time I’ve used them, I’ve loved them and it’s giving me the type of reaction I want from the layout.
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Re: Layout advice

Post by Walkerman10000 » October 10th, 2021, 9:23 pm

Ok so this is the arsenal that I’m thinking about putting together. It’s going to be 8 balls total with a urethane and short pin asym and symmetrical, would like opinions on layouts for the other balls I’m looking at to complete the arsenal to compliment the two I have so far, here are the balls I’m looking to add and I am also putting the two balls I have bought with their layouts also in the list.

Storm Proton Physix
Radical Trailblazer
Roto Grip Nuclear Cell: 80-2.25-45
Storm Iq Tour Nano Pearl: xx-4.5-30
900 Global Zen
Roto Grip Hustle PBR
Hammer Purple Urethane


I’m looking for a suggestion on a symmetrical to put a short pin layout on also, I’m open to any and all ball companies but I like the ball motion from storm and radical the most, but I have thrown at least one ball from every company out there but DV8 and Motiv. I was thinking maybe a Phaze 3 would be a good choice for a short pin but I dunno…
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Re: Layout advice

Post by EricHartwell » October 11th, 2021, 6:07 pm

Not a fan of the short pin layouts on Symmetrical equipment. They loose tilt to quickly and don't carry well in my experience with them.
I found they need to be played very straight, with speed and low rotation for best results.

I am limited for time right now. I will get back to to your layouts in the near future.
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Re: Layout advice

Post by Walkerman10000 » October 11th, 2021, 10:19 pm

Take your time Eric, it’s going to take me some time to be able
to buy the balls anyways, prob take me about 4 months to complete the arsenal. I have ideas in my head, just want to see your suggestions to see if my ideas are on the right track is all
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55* rotation
15* tilt
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Re: Layout advice

Post by Walkerman10000 » October 13th, 2021, 12:06 am

MegaMav wrote:
October 6th, 2021, 4:02 am
If you can remeasure your tilt after the fit change, I can help you with a layout.
The stats on my signature MegMav are my most current stats, I was just rechecked last week, so everything is up to date, I would love to see what layouts you have in mind for me
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Re: Layout advice

Post by Walkerman10000 » October 13th, 2021, 12:34 am

Ok so here are my ideas that I had in my head for my arsenal. The way I like to set up my arsenal is in this manner. Heavy oil control ball which will be the Storm Proton Physix. Heavy oil angular ball which will be the Radical Trailblazer. Medium oil control which is the Storm !Q Nano Pearl that I just drilled up, medium oil angular which will be the 900 Global Zen. Light oil control which will be the Roto Grip Hustle PBR, and finally the Purple Hammer urethane, which is for short patterns and when the breakpoint is really tight. My Nuclear Cell is an asymmetric short pin, it’s purpose is to give me a look similar to urethane on the medium to longer patterns, or so I can play farther right longer on a block before I make a ball
change to move way inside and swing it. I also will be adding 1 more ball either to do another short pin layout on or something to fill a gap somewhere, I haven’t decided yet. Here are the layouts I have in mind for the balls that I want to add.

Storm Proton Physix: 60 x 4.5 x 30 this is a strong ball and I want a strong layout on it so I can blend out heavy oiled patterns on the fresh and not have the over/under.

Radical Trailblazer: 90 x 5 x 40 this is also a strong asym that is pretty skip flippy from what I’ve seen. I’m wanting to use this ball when my proton is too early, or when I need to move inside and swing it when my proton is starting to leave ten pins. So I was thinking the long and strong but with a weaker 5 in pin so I can play deeper inside and get through the heads easier.

900 Global Zen: xx x 4.5 x 30 this is same layout has my !Q Tour Nano Pearl. These two balls are very different as far as cover strength and core dynamics, so my benchmark layout on both balls will give me vastly different looks, and I’ll still be able to move deep inside and swing this ball as intended with this layout on the medium volumed patterns.

Roto Grip Hustle PBR: xx x 5.5 x 60 This ball is for the really light volumes or for when the lanes get absolutely burned up, I want to be able to move inside when the lanes are fried but still have a reaction that’s not totally a hockey stick motion, the 5.5 pin distance should be weak enough to still get the ball to float in the heads, and the 60 VAL ANGLE should give me a smoother reaction down lane still.

Purple Hammer: xx x 3.5 x 25 Since this is a urethane ball I’m drilling it very strong and will request my pro shop guy to drill the thumb 4 1/2 inches deep. This ball is going to be for the short patterns on the fresh to give me a nice and predictable motion on the backend and to allow me to play straight early in a block, so hopefully I can move in with a stronger ball after a game or two and use the carry down that I will create with urethane to create hold when I move in and swing it.


These are the ideas that I’m thinking about and my thought process as to what I’m looking for in each ball. Im still open to any suggestions on another ball, I carry 9 to league and tournaments generally, but I do throw plastic at spares. So I’ve got room for one more ball. I still want another short pin layout in a symmetrical
or even another asymmetrical ball that would give me a slightly different look than the Nuclear Cell.
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Re: Layout advice

Post by MegaMav » October 14th, 2021, 11:30 pm

Trailblazer: 75 x 3.75 x 35
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Re: Layout advice

Post by Walkerman10000 » October 15th, 2021, 4:57 am

What kind of reaction should I expect with that layout MegaMav? It looks like something that would be long with a pretty sharp breakpoint.
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Re: Layout advice

Post by MegaMav » October 16th, 2021, 3:00 pm

I'd expect it to be fairly strong and continuous.
Should be a good look on softer conditions.
It will give you what you want.

FYI: 5" Pin to PAP on an asymmetric is not weak.
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Re: Layout advice

Post by EricHartwell » October 17th, 2021, 11:31 pm

Walkerman10000 wrote:
October 13th, 2021, 12:34 am
Ok so here are my ideas that I had in my head for my arsenal. The way I like to set up my arsenal is in this manner. Heavy oil control ball which will be the Storm Proton Physix. Heavy oil angular ball which will be the Radical Trailblazer. Medium oil control which is the Storm !Q Nano Pearl that I just drilled up, medium oil angular which will be the 900 Global Zen. Light oil control which will be the Roto Grip Hustle PBR, and finally the Purple Hammer urethane, which is for short patterns and when the breakpoint is really tight. My Nuclear Cell is an asymmetric short pin, it’s purpose is to give me a look similar to urethane on the medium to longer patterns, or so I can play farther right longer on a block before I make a ball
change to move way inside and swing it. I also will be adding 1 more ball either to do another short pin layout on or something to fill a gap somewhere, I haven’t decided yet. Here are the layouts I have in mind for the balls that I want to add.

Storm Proton Physix: 60 x 4.5 x 30 this is a strong ball and I want a strong layout on it so I can blend out heavy oiled patterns on the fresh and not have the over/under.

Radical Trailblazer: 90 x 5 x 40 this is also a strong asym that is pretty skip flippy from what I’ve seen. I’m wanting to use this ball when my proton is too early, or when I need to move inside and swing it when my proton is starting to leave ten pins. So I was thinking the long and strong but with a weaker 5 in pin so I can play deeper inside and get through the heads easier.

900 Global Zen: xx x 4.5 x 30 this is same layout has my !Q Tour Nano Pearl. These two balls are very different as far as cover strength and core dynamics, so my benchmark layout on both balls will give me vastly different looks, and I’ll still be able to move deep inside and swing this ball as intended with this layout on the medium volumed patterns.

Roto Grip Hustle PBR: xx x 5.5 x 60 This ball is for the really light volumes or for when the lanes get absolutely burned up, I want to be able to move inside when the lanes are fried but still have a reaction that’s not totally a hockey stick motion, the 5.5 pin distance should be weak enough to still get the ball to float in the heads, and the 60 VAL ANGLE should give me a smoother reaction down lane still.

Purple Hammer: xx x 3.5 x 25 Since this is a urethane ball I’m drilling it very strong and will request my pro shop guy to drill the thumb 4 1/2 inches deep. This ball is going to be for the short patterns on the fresh to give me a nice and predictable motion on the backend and to allow me to play straight early in a block, so hopefully I can move in with a stronger ball after a game or two and use the carry down that I will create with urethane to create hold when I move in and swing it.


These are the ideas that I’m thinking about and my thought process as to what I’m looking for in each ball. Im still open to any suggestions on another ball, I carry 9 to league and tournaments generally, but I do throw plastic at spares. So I’ve got room for one more ball. I still want another short pin layout in a symmetrical
or even another asymmetrical ball that would give me a slightly different look than the Nuclear Cell.
I like your ideas with the exception of the Trailblazer.
Like Mega said a 5" pin to PAP is not weak. It promotes forward roll. It could be observed as weak because it will not cover as many boards.
When we talk about Strong around here, Strong means early
When getting deep inside and swinging the lane you need something more continuous like the Recommended 75 x 3.75 x 35.
The Stronger Asymmetry of the Trailblazer's core will create more natural length and make it have quicker transitions from skid to hook to roll.
Over compensating with the layout will amplify this even more. I trust MegaMav's experience with the Radical line-up.
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Re: Layout advice

Post by Walkerman10000 » October 18th, 2021, 12:56 am

Ok thanks for the advice, I do know that on asyms a 5 in pin to PAP is a stronger layout than a 5in pin to PAP on a symmetrical ball. I guess what I meant on weaker, meaning I could play a little straighter, so my bad on bad terminology. But ill keep it in mind for the future that on asyms 5in to PAP is still a strong pin position. My next purchase will be the radical trailblazer in November since the launch date got pushed back, I can’t wait to try the suggested layout from MegaMav.
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