Layout Advice needed

Which layout is right for me?

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DanH
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THS Average: 208
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Positive Axis Point: 4 5/8 > 1/8^
Speed: 17.2mph off hand
Rev Rate: 292
Axis Tilt: 21
Axis Rotation: 50
Heavy Oil Ball: Brunswick Prism Hybrid (3k surface)
Medium Oil Ball: phase III
Light Oil Ball: onyx vibe

Layout Advice needed

Post by DanH » August 11th, 2020, 12:09 am

I went to Kegel and got some new Specto data

RR 292
Speed off hand 17 Mph
Tilt 21
Axis Rotation 50

At 69 I was stunned by my Rev Rate. Its actually a bit higher since I had thumb issues that day but when I got out clean it was around 340. I hung up bad the first few shots then Del took me back and opened up my thumb.
I would rather be speed dominant anyway these days but I never was.

I bowl in a house with a 42 ft 25unts THS. 18 year Old Anvil lane.

The best ball I had in recent years was a Motiv Octane Carbon, 4 1/2 x 70. maintained at 3k surface.
I used a Onyx Vibe for a while, no big scores but very consistent. 5 1/4 x 35.
I have a Brunswick Prism Hybrid drilled 90x 1 1/12 x 50 that works sometimes but not consistently. I have tried a lot of surface changes and just like most of my other balls 3k works best.

Please advise this old man on layouts and surface changes that might work better for me.

Thanks!
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Positive Axis Point: 4-3/4" and 1/2"up
Speed: 16 off hand
Rev Rate: 330
Axis Tilt: 12
Axis Rotation: 45
Heavy Oil Ball: Radical Tremendous
Medium Oil Ball: Motiv Villain, Hammer Nail, Brunswick True Motion
Light Oil Ball: Blue Hammer, Columbia Nitrous
Location: Michigan

Re: Layout Advice needed

Post by EricHartwell » August 11th, 2020, 3:38 am

I always start with figuring the benchmark and then work from there

Benchmark 1.25:1 Ratio, 100* Totals

Asymmetrical Layouts
Totally Strong ................. 50-4.5-30
Midlane ........................ 35-4.5-45
Benchmark .................... 55-4-45
Long and Strong .............. 75-4-45
Control ........................ 55-3.5-65
low flare ...................... 75-2.5-45

Symmetrical layouts
Benchmark ................... xx-4-40
Control ....................... xx-4.5-60 adjust to pin in the ring finger
low flare ..................... xx-5-35
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PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand

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THS Average: 208
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Positive Axis Point: 4 5/8 > 1/8^
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Rev Rate: 292
Axis Tilt: 21
Axis Rotation: 50
Heavy Oil Ball: Brunswick Prism Hybrid (3k surface)
Medium Oil Ball: phase III
Light Oil Ball: onyx vibe

Re: Layout Advice needed

Post by DanH » August 11th, 2020, 7:42 pm

Eric I cant thank you enough.

I was close on a few, looks like spot on with the control layout on the symmetrical since I have to go an inch below the ring finger and end up at 70 degree val. its my best layout .
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Axis Rotation: 50
Heavy Oil Ball: Storm Parallax
Medium Oil Ball: Storm IQ Nano Pearl
Light Oil Ball: Looking
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Re: Layout Advice needed

Post by TampaSR » October 12th, 2020, 12:34 am

Just want to thank Eric again. The layout are working well.

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Re: Layout Advice needed

Post by 19866 » January 13th, 2021, 6:46 pm

I have a Radical Zing I want to drill with a short pin layout for a wet dry, (left to right), house shot. Mo Pinel gave me my base layout which is 45° x 4 1/2 x 30°. How much should I modify this for a 2" pin.

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Positive Axis Point: 5.25 Over 5/8 Up
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Rev Rate: 350
Axis Tilt: 20
Axis Rotation: 45
Heavy Oil Ball: Radical - The Closer
Medium Oil Ball: Brunswck - Forest Quantum
Light Oil Ball: DV8 - Poison Pearl
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Re: Layout Advice needed

Post by MegaMav » January 14th, 2021, 5:32 pm

19866 wrote:
January 13th, 2021, 6:46 pm
I have a Radical Zing I want to drill with a short pin layout for a wet dry, (left to right), house shot. Mo Pinel gave me my base layout which is 45° x 4 1/2 x 30°. How much should I modify this for a 2" pin.
2" Pin to CG?
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Layout Advice needed

Post by LibertyBowler » January 17th, 2021, 10:16 am

I am looking for suggested layouts I can give to my ball driller that will work best for my game and get the desired shape I am looking for. I have pretty old equipment that sat undrilled until Winter 2019 and still have a few pieces to drill up. I mostly get my equipment drilled for sport shots and finding it difficult matching up to the transition on the house shot. I get my equipment drilled for sport due to seeking out tournaments/leagues that will most likely use a sport patterns. Unfortunately here in Chicago sport leagues do not exist, which forced me to join a regular league that uses a THS. I also have equipment for dry/short oil however I feel the layouts are not right for those conditions. I currently have a coach who is also my ball driller but he drills a different system and converts it to dual angle for me.

The various centers I bowl in all have synthetic lanes except for one which is wood.

My Current specs are as follows:
PAP: 5 7/16 X 3/8 up, remapped 5/27/19 from 4 1/2 X 3/16 up.
Axis tilt is 18-19 degrees
Speed: 14.5-15 mph (Monitor reading)
Rev Rate: unknown but I was told by my ball driller I am matched.

My current arsenal includes the following: 
Ridiculous Asym- 35 X 4 1/2 X 35 (Double Thumb) Drilled 5/27/17 barely used it till Dec 2019. Also this is the only ball in my arsenal with a balance hole.
This arsenal were NIB drilled 2/28/19:
Magnitude 035- 35 X 4 5/8 X 40
Edge Pearl- 35 X 3/4 X 30
Edge Solid- 45 X 4 1/2 X 70 
BTU Pearl- 45 X 4 X 70*
All were drilled with the intentions to use on short sport and dried up house shots.

This Arsenal was NIB drilled 01/27/20:
Conspiracy Hybrid- 55 X 6 X 35
Cyclops pearl- 75 X 5 1/2 X 40
Brunswick inferno blue flame- 50 X 5 1/4 X 40


My undrilled list includes the following:
Tremendous Pearl
Guru Supreme
Katana Legend
Radical sizzle
Radical Beyond Ridiculous

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Positive Axis Point: 4-3/4" and 1/2"up
Speed: 16 off hand
Rev Rate: 330
Axis Tilt: 12
Axis Rotation: 45
Heavy Oil Ball: Radical Tremendous
Medium Oil Ball: Motiv Villain, Hammer Nail, Brunswick True Motion
Light Oil Ball: Blue Hammer, Columbia Nitrous
Location: Michigan

Re: Layout Advice needed

Post by EricHartwell » January 19th, 2021, 2:53 am

Estimated rev rate only gets estimated layouts.
Also needed is the angle of rotation. Will use 45* med rotation for estimates
For the estimate, 1:1 ratio and 100* totals to start your layouts from for house shots.

Estimated Asymmetrical Layouts
Totally Strong .......... 50-5-30
Midlane ................. 30-4.5-50
Benchmark ............ 50-4.25-50
Long and Strong ...... 70-4.25-50
Control ................ 50-4.5-70
low flare .............. 70-2.25-50

Totally Strong and Midlane layouts are, for the most part, too Strong for House shots unless you are speed dominant or bowling on a flood.

My undrilled list includes the following: estimated layout suggestions
Tremendous Pearl ................................. 70-4-50
Guru Supreme ................................... 50-4.5-70
Katana Legend ................................... 70-2.25-50
Radical sizzle .................................... xx-4.75-35
Radical Beyond Ridiculous .................... xx-4.75-55 pin in the ring finger
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PAP 4.75" up 1/2"
45* rotation
12* tilt
330 rev rate
16 mph off hand

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