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 Post subject: Re: Request regarding the "over rolled full roller"
 Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 3:18 am Post Number: #21 Post
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 Post subject: Re: Request regarding the "over rolled full roller"
 Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 4:52 am Post Number: #22 Post
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Welcome to BowlingChat

Your Initial track hits the ring finger, is this correct?

I assume you looking for a layout that doesn't track back over your gripping holes.

Do you have any video you can post to youtube for us to view?

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 Post subject: Re: Request regarding the "over rolled full roller"
 Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:41 pm Post Number: #23 Post
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EricHartwell wrote:
Welcome to BowlingChat

Your Initial track hits the ring finger, is this correct?

I assume you looking for a layout that doesn't track back over your gripping holes.

Do you have any video you can post to youtube for us to view?


Yes, Yes, Yes
I have been a student of this site for the last 6 months,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPW4wHrMBdM

I was fortunate enough to have my bowler ID done a week ago and have been on a mission ever since to make sense of what I've got. With the help of my coach Ive been really cutting down my loft and trying to get a much smoother release angle onto the lane... I think it has improved but the negative tilt is still there...at this point I don't know if I need to continue working on my form to specifically remove it or try and find a layout that works.


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 Post subject: Re: Request regarding the "over rolled full roller"
 Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:03 am Post Number: #24 Post
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From our chat via IM your initial track starts on your bridge. This is not going to do the ball any good rolling over the bridge or possibly landing on it from a cracking standpoint.
You are very new to the game. Keep working with your coach on your release to remove the negative tilt. Finding a more effective release will benefit your game in many ways. Layouts at this point are not going to be effective at getting your initial track off your fingers. Your form and release will be able to improve this.
Overrolled full roller Layouts would be the option if your tilt becomes more negative and your initial track starts completely on the right side of your grip. Then we could get it to flare the opposite way and stay off your fingers. You are very early in your bowling career and are taking the right steps to become a better bowler. Keep up the good work and you will enjoy the benefits as your bowling career progresses.

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 Post subject: Re: Request regarding the "over rolled full roller"
 Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:15 am Post Number: #25 Post
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Thanks Eric for the advice, I've been following it =)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gZK4-uVtS4

I've gotten to where I consistently track just outside my middle finger, down through where the thumb hole would be...this is with normal pin up layouts. Am I correct that this is more in line with a traditional 'full roller'?

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 Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:58 am Post Number: #26 Post
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 Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:21 am Post Number: #27 Post
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There is definite improvement in your form. Your release looks much more powerful with your release lower to the ground. The ball reaction down lane looks better too.
Keep up the good work.

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 Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 5:12 am Post Number: #28 Post
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Cool music and editing!


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 Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:48 pm Post Number: #29 Post
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Thank you, I made another one with some high speed footage mixed in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyZmplBzE_4


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