Different core shapes definitely react differently to MOtion Holes. However, not many of them react negatively, just different degrees of positively. We design symmetrical balls so MOtion Holes are one of the good options. 5 distinct options yield greater versatility.elgavachon wrote: I put a Motion hole in a Maxxed out. I saw less Rev-up in that ball than in any that I have tried it on. I got the full 1 1/4" hole in it too. Need to try it again on different surface. The IQ's that I tried it on really came alive on wood.
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Re: *NEW* - MOtion Hole - Video - How To & Demonstration
Are the Maxxed Out and 4.5 the same core? Because I haven't had a whole lot of luck with my 4.5.elgavachon wrote: I put a Motion hole in a Maxxed out. I saw less Rev-up in that ball than in any that I have tried it on. I got the full 1 1/4" hole in it too. Need to try it again on different surface. The IQ's that I tried it on really came alive on wood.
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Re: *NEW* - MOtion Hole - Video - How To & Demonstration
I'm dying to get my hands on a Yeti. Right now I have one of those "good problems to have". I just recently came into 3 free, new in box, bowling balls. I'll get to the Yeti eventually tho!Mo Pinel wrote: Different core shapes definitely react differently to MOtion Holes. However, not many of them react negatively, just different degrees of positively. We design symmetrical balls so MOtion Holes are one of the good options. 5 distinct options yield greater versatility.
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Re: *NEW* - MOtion Hole - Video - How To & Demonstration
I put a MOtion hole in an overseas Roto Grip Alliance Tour (1/3 pearl, 2/3 solid hybrid, Pinnacle core-- you know, that awkward 'cube-with-wings' looking core) for a teammate with high track and low tilt. WHAT A MONSTER! Now he is ripping racks and shipping messengers across the deck on a regular basis.
Talk about a ball-saver: he was going to sell this ball because he didn't like the ball motion.
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Re: *NEW* - MOtion Hole - Video - How To & Demonstration
just to follow up on my MOhole Outburst. started with 3/4'' hole noticed more hitting power and continuation threw the pin deck.. went to 7/8'' bit and it seemed to hurt the roll. the ball had an appearence of wobbling through the midlane but it still hit like a tank... last nite i went up to a 1'' hole...HOLY SMOKES... i had 14 in a row during warm-ups.. first game i could have struck out for 256 but threw the worst shot of the season (greek church) ... then went 269- 269.....very easily could have been a couple honor scores... the only pins left on the deck were turd tens due to me missing a move and a couple blower sevens.. QUESTION.... should i keep making the hole bigger or just stop now?? is it possible this ball can get better? oh yeah!! one more question.. my PAP is over 5 and i have an old resurgance with a pin over the fingers... is it set in stone that i need to use pins next to my ring finger or is it possible a MOhole will work with a pin over the fingers with a PAP over 5??? thanks
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Stop! You can use pis above, beside, or under the finger line as long as you keep the pin to PAP distance between 3" and 4 3/4". Have at it!halfaloaf wrote:just to follow up on my MOhole Outburst. started with 3/4'' hole noticed more hitting power and continuation threw the pin deck.. went to 7/8'' bit and it seemed to hurt the roll. the ball had an appearence of wobbling through the midlane but it still hit like a tank... last nite i went up to a 1'' hole...HOLY SMOKES... i had 14 in a row during warm-ups.. first game i could have struck out for 256 but threw the worst shot of the season (greek church) ... then went 269- 269.....very easily could have been a couple honor scores... the only pins left on the deck were turd tens due to me missing a move and a couple blower sevens.. QUESTION.... should i keep making the hole bigger or just stop now?? is it possible this ball can get better? oh yeah!! one more question.. my PAP is over 5 and i have an old resurgance with a pin over the fingers... is it set in stone that i need to use pins next to my ring finger or is it possible a MOhole will work with a pin over the fingers with a PAP over 5??? thanks
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Re: *NEW* - MOtion Hole - Video - How To & Demonstration
I increased the hole in my Hyroad from 1" which gave me a decent look with a TON of backend to a 1 1/4 which turned the ball into a dud. Ball goes straight! Going to plug and go with the 3/4 hole which I should have started with in the first place.
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Re: *NEW* - MOtion Hole - Video - How To & Demonstration
What happens if you get out of that range? -- JohnPYou can use pis above, beside, or under the finger line as long as you keep the pin to PAP distance between 3" and 4 3/4". Have at it!
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Just a guess, but considering how long this layout gets, outside that range might not flare enough to get a usable reaction. Especially the longer pin...the ball would retain tilt until it hit the mechanic.JohnP wrote: What happens if you get out of that range? -- JohnP
I'm curious to see if I'm close...
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Re: *NEW* - MOtion Hole - Video - How To & Demonstration
I think the answer is, less flare outside that range.
Remember the effect of PIN to PAP is blurred with this layout since the hole is so strong.
Remember the effect of PIN to PAP is blurred with this layout since the hole is so strong.
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Re: *NEW* - MOtion Hole - Video - How To & Demonstration
Outside that range you'll end up with less flare. The results might end up with too much length since the increase in gyroscopic inertia will make the ball stay on its axis longer.
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Re: *NEW* - MOtion Hole - Video - How To & Demonstration
Thanks. My problem is low speed for my revs. I need long, smooth, but continuous. Sounds to me as if the flare reduction with the MoHole might fit the bill. -- JohnP
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Re: *NEW* - MOtion Hole - Video - How To & Demonstration
I have a Hammer Nail #13 RG (2.53) Diff (.055)
Drilled 70-5-40
Pin is directly above the bridge cg is just below the ring finger Pin is 3-5/8" from grip center
Post drilled 1/4oz top 3/4oz side 1/2oz Finger
Factory finish 800 Abranet®, 1000, 2000, 4000 Abralon®, Powerhouse™ Factory Finish Polish
This ball is great on a broken down house shot Until Ive moved in to 4th arrow trying to get it out to the breakpoint outside the 10 board It just seems to run out of carry. Also it is way to jumpy on the fresh lanes, Would love to put some surface on it and be able to use it for all 3 games.
Currently it has 3" of flare.
Idea: Drill the ring finger deeper resurface to 2000 add a MOhole
Would this be a good canditate for a MOtion hole?
Drilled 70-5-40
Pin is directly above the bridge cg is just below the ring finger Pin is 3-5/8" from grip center
Post drilled 1/4oz top 3/4oz side 1/2oz Finger
Factory finish 800 Abranet®, 1000, 2000, 4000 Abralon®, Powerhouse™ Factory Finish Polish
This ball is great on a broken down house shot Until Ive moved in to 4th arrow trying to get it out to the breakpoint outside the 10 board It just seems to run out of carry. Also it is way to jumpy on the fresh lanes, Would love to put some surface on it and be able to use it for all 3 games.
Currently it has 3" of flare.
Idea: Drill the ring finger deeper resurface to 2000 add a MOhole
Would this be a good canditate for a MOtion hole?
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Re: *NEW* - MOtion Hole - Video - How To & Demonstration
Your plan seems accurate. Go for it. Let me know what happens?EricHartwell wrote:I have a Hammer Nail #13 RG (2.53) Diff (.055)
Drilled 70-5-40
Pin is directly above the bridge cg is just below the ring finger Pin is 3-5/8" from grip center
Post drilled 1/4oz top 3/4oz side 1/2oz Finger
Factory finish 800 Abranet®, 1000, 2000, 4000 Abralon®, Powerhouse™ Factory Finish Polish
This ball is great on a broken down house shot Until Ive moved in to 4th arrow trying to get it out to the breakpoint outside the 10 board It just seems to run out of carry. Also it is way to jumpy on the fresh lanes, Would love to put some surface on it and be able to use it for all 3 games.
Currently it has 3" of flare.
Idea: Drill the ring finger deeper resurface to 2000 add a MOhole
Would this be a good canditate for a MOtion hole?
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Re: *NEW* - MOtion Hole - Video - How To & Demonstration
Finally got a chance to drill the Yeti today. I must say this ball rolled great, out of the box with a 4" pin to pap no hole. Cover was clean, but the motor was working hard. Didn't over read the dry, or wiggle when i missed in. While i was tempted to leave it alone, it was meant for the mohole experiment. The other 2 balls i have done for myself were already drilled with very low flare layouts. Went with a 7/8" x 3 1/2' hole. I could feel the core a little past 2". Went back to the lanes, and saw 3-4 more feet of skid phase. Ball rolled ok, but had to move 3 and 2 out to get to the pocket. As a low/medium tilt player i like the continuation, but need the mid lane read back. I hope a light surface adjustment will give me the original reaction while retaining tilt. will try tomorrow...:]
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Please drill the MOtion Hole 4" deep to the tip of the bit.russelldean wrote:Finally got a chance to drill the Yeti today. I must say this ball rolled great, out of the box with a 4" pin to pap no hole. Cover was clean, but the motor was working hard. Didn't over read the dry, or wiggle when i missed in. While i was tempted to leave it alone, it was meant for the mohole experiment. The other 2 balls i have done for myself were already drilled with very low flare layouts. Went with a 7/8" x 3 1/2' hole. I could feel the core a little past 2". Went back to the lanes, and saw 3-4 more feet of skid phase. Ball rolled ok, but had to move 3 and 2 out to get to the pocket. As a low/medium tilt player i like the continuation, but need the mid lane read back. I hope a light surface adjustment will give me the original reaction while retaining tilt. will try tomorrow...:]
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Yes sir...will do.
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Re: *NEW* - MOtion Hole - Video - How To & Demonstration
I'm drilling a motion hole on a defiant this afternoon. My pap is 6.5" over and 1/2" up. I'm gonna put the pin to pap at 4 3/4" beside my ring finger. any thoughts?
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Re: *NEW* - MOtion Hole - Video - How To & Demonstration
Well I drilled the disturbed (I said defiant by mistake) and it rolls great. The lanes were dry so I was walking around the ball return but the ball finished flush every time. I've had 3 300s and an 800 since January but I have never had a ball turn the corner and continue driving like this. I threw a nightmare drilled 85x3.4x25 on the same line to compare and it labored to turn the corner and rolled out in comparison. count high speed, high rev, low tilt players as candidated for this drill. got a yeti on order for another motion hole drill. thanks for this website.
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Re: *NEW* - MOtion Hole - Video - How To & Demonstration
Hi there.
After reading a lot about this layout, it really peak my interest. I'm going to try & experiment it on a 2nd hand ball first.
Just wondering whether I can build an arsenal just by using this MOtion hole layout in all of my equipment for different oil conditions?
(btw, I'm speed dominant)
It seems to me that this layout is much simpler & doesn't require much precision as the dual angle but with all the added perks
P/S: My current equipment is, Taboo purple, crossroad, & arson low flare.
After reading a lot about this layout, it really peak my interest. I'm going to try & experiment it on a 2nd hand ball first.
Just wondering whether I can build an arsenal just by using this MOtion hole layout in all of my equipment for different oil conditions?
(btw, I'm speed dominant)
It seems to me that this layout is much simpler & doesn't require much precision as the dual angle but with all the added perks
P/S: My current equipment is, Taboo purple, crossroad, & arson low flare.