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Underlying Surface

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If one takes for example an Ogre Pearl and takes it down to 1000 abralon six sides and then applies a medium application of Valentino's Snake Oil (non-abrasive) polish. Medium application not a boatload and not super shiny you can see the lines of the 1000 abralon.

My question is do the peaks and valleys of the underlying surface allow the ball to grab a bit more midlane and on the backend? More so than say a smooth surface of OOB which is 1500 polished?

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yes, 1000 then polish should have more overall friction than 1500 factory polished, but it is harder to reproduce the exact same surface at the rougher grit levels than when the cover starts out smoother.

for the sake of repeatability, i prefer to use polishing agents on surfaces that are prepped at least to 2000 grit or smoother before polishing.

if looking for more aggressiveness than a factory 1500 polished box finish, my personal preference is to go to 1500 smooth as i feel that non-polished surfaces read the lane more consistently.
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Thanks kotm!!!

Anyone else? See this. ---> viewtopic.php?f=3&t=77
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scotts33 wrote:If one takes for example an Ogre Pearl and takes it down to 1000 abralon six sides and then applies a medium application of Valentino's Snake Oil (non-abrasive) polish. Medium application not a boatload and not super shiny you can see the lines of the 1000 abralon.

My question is do the peaks and valleys of the underlying surface allow the ball to grab a bit more midlane and on the backend? More so than say a smooth surface of OOB which is 1500 polished?

Thanks,
Scott

What happens when you apply any polish to a surface rougher than 2000 abralon you make the surface more inconsistent in comparison to 2000 and 4000 with polish
http://www.bowl.com/news/xmlburner.jsp? ... rfaces.xml
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purduepaul wrote:

What happens when you apply any polish to a surface rougher than 2000 abralon you make the surface more inconsistent in comparison to 2000 and 4000 with polish
http://www.bowl.com/news/xmlburner.jsp? ... rfaces.xml
Paul,

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