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Mo Says

Posted: December 1st, 2011, 4:48 pm
by JohnP
From: viewtopic.php?t=4750" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
You've got it right. On asyms., use pin to PAP distances of 2 3/4" to 4" to get the ball to change direction and read friction. Use 4" to 5" pin to PAP distances when you want to play straighter.
This response has inspired me to start a "Mo Says" page in Word. As I find other helpful hints I'll add them to the page and keep it for reference. If anyone has similar quotes please either post them here or provide the link and I'll add them to my page. If requested I'll try to figure out how to add a page to the wiki for others to use. -- JohnP

Re: Mo Says

Posted: December 1st, 2011, 5:19 pm
by jpj6780
Great idea. You might include a reference as well, such as: in response to question regarding pap to pin for low tilt, high rotation, 400 rpm, 18mph bowler.

Re: Mo Says

Posted: December 1st, 2011, 5:30 pm
by Mo Pinel
JohnP wrote: This response has inspired me to start a "Mo Says" page in Word. As I find other helpful hints I'll add them to the page and keep it for reference. If anyone has similar quotes please either post them here or provide the link and I'll add them to my page. If requested I'll try to figure out how to add a page to the wiki for others to use. -- JohnP

That quote was for low tilt bowlers. For high tilt bowlers, don't use 3" to 4" pin to PAPs on asyms. unless there's lots of friction, or you're using a ton of surface with a big, strong balance hole. Use 4" to 5" pin to PAPs to read friction and 5" to 6" pin to PAPs to play straight. Another example of the need for accurate delivery specs.

Re: Mo Says

Posted: December 1st, 2011, 8:30 pm
by JohnP
Modified the first quote and added the second. -- JohnP

Re: Mo Says

Posted: December 5th, 2011, 1:38 pm
by House Dressing
Re: Mo Says:
Hide the F'n polish........ :lol:

Re: Mo Says

Posted: December 6th, 2011, 2:39 am
by EricHartwell
Hand grenades at 20 paces

Re: Mo Says

Posted: December 6th, 2011, 5:35 pm
by JohnP
I'm really looking for succinct technical information instead of "Moisms". -- JohnP

Re: Mo Says

Posted: December 7th, 2011, 12:41 am
by CrankyOldMan
What do we have here? A "local legend in his own mind" perhaps?

:lol:

Re: Mo Says

Posted: December 11th, 2011, 12:11 am
by ijohn83
BOWLING WELL IS RELATED TO EFFICIENCY, NOT EXERTION!

Re: Mo Says

Posted: December 13th, 2011, 5:59 pm
by juice
Mo says: "There's no IQ test in bowling"

Re: Mo Says

Posted: December 14th, 2011, 3:40 pm
by preoakes
JohnP wrote:I'm really looking for succinct technical information instead of "Moisms". -- JohnP
Ok, but you might want to start an extra one with the Mo-isms!

Re: Mo Says

Posted: December 29th, 2011, 5:47 pm
by elgavachon
This quote taken from viewtopic.php?f=6&t=4557&p=36474#p36474" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (see # 19)
ALL bowling balls with migrate along the RG contour of the Bowler's PAP. That's governed by the laws of the universe. Therefore, in order to create a unique migration path, you must create a unique RG contour for that ball. ALL balls have RG contours that use the low and high RG axis as the centroid for the RG contours. The higher the differential ratio, the more of the RG contours that are centered around the high RG axis, and the flatter those ellipses. That's just pure science and math.

Re: Mo Says

Posted: January 5th, 2012, 1:49 pm
by IShot811
We need more like this...
Mo Pinel wrote:When the fingers are over 3" deep, don't go any deeper than 2 3/4" on the balance hole! The holes will meet, if you drill the balance hole too deep.

Re: Mo Says

Posted: January 5th, 2012, 5:31 pm
by JohnP
ABSO-FREAKING-LUTELY! -- JohnP

Re: Mo Says

Posted: January 7th, 2012, 6:34 pm
by ijohn83
Mo Pinel wrote:
Staying behind the ball causes it to track high. Specifically, lack of axis tilt. Staying in the thumb too long causes it to track very close to the thumb. That's the real skinny.

Re: Mo Says

Posted: January 10th, 2012, 2:55 pm
by IShot811
Mo Pinel wrote:Don't worry about the cg. No problem. CGs don't mean a thing (to) ball motion as long as the ball has legal statics. .... NEVER put balance holes below the thumb. Too much of a chance of flaring over it.

Re: Mo Says

Posted: January 10th, 2012, 4:57 pm
by JohnP
With Scotch Brite pads, it's all about the pressure you use with the pad. Burgundy results in 400 to 800 depending on the pressure. Grey results in 800 to 1500, again, depending on the pressure used.
Using scuff pads is not an exact science, but this is usually done during practice when the ball you want to use is not reacting enough. After the bowling is done, I always recommend using a spinner to return the ball to its' normal surface.

Re: Mo Says

Posted: January 10th, 2012, 5:11 pm
by JohnP
From: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=4735" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

On a symmetrical ball drilled without a balance hole, the PSA (high RG) axis ends up very near the thumb. That puts the PAP near the intermediate RG axis on a vast majority of bowlers. Putting a balance hole in the PAP, which is near the int. RG axis, raises the RG of the int. RG axis. That decreases the int. diff., which makes the ball more symmetrical. That's what blueprint's excellent attachment shows. This explanation is for those who have math phobia.

Re: Mo Says

Posted: January 10th, 2012, 5:15 pm
by JohnP
From: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=4747" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Increasing the reverse in the middle finger actually helped to lower your tilt. Changing pitches changes the resulting ball motion. If you have to change the grip to accomodate issues like this, CHANGE THE SPAN FIRST TO RELIEVE THE PRESSURE, NOT THE PITCH, UNLESS YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE ROLL!

Re: Mo Says

Posted: January 11th, 2012, 2:42 am
by BCP27
JohnP wrote:With Scotch Brite pads, it's all about the pressure you use with the pad. Burgundy results in 400 to 800 depending on the pressure. Grey results in 800 to 1500, again, depending on the pressure used.
Using scuff pads is not an exact science, but this is usually done during practice when the ball you want to use is not reacting enough. After the bowling is done, I always recommend using a spinner to return the ball to its' normal surface.
Green Pads are for dishes!

I wish I read that before using a green pad several times on my 2furious....oh well it worked pretty well for me. It got my pin down 2furious reading early enough for the smooth arc to bounce off the dry when my Tropical Storm over-skidded....which is usually the case on fresh oil.