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 Post subject: Lane Play Advice Needed
 Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:20 pm Post Number: #1 Post
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I need some advice on how to play the lanes when my preferred line has dried up (usually late 2nd game or early third game), and because most everyone else has been playing inside of me, I'm usually left with nowhere to go, and my 3rd game scores suffer. As an example, last night I went 230+, 250+, 160, and the previous week it was 214, 230+, 162.

I primarily play a stroker shot going straight up either 4,5, or 6, and depending on the lanes, I can move in to around 12-13 and swing the ball out if the lanes allow it, though I'm not real comfortable and consistent doing this. My ball speed is appx 13.2-14.2 on the monitors, and my revs are matched or I'm slightly speed dominate. I usually start out with a Storm Sync (pin-up w/P3, 500-4000) and can use it for all 3 games if I have playable area. Otherwise I have another Sync with a smaller VAL angle and a hole down on the VAL and a Storm 2Fast (pin up and at OOB) available. For my style, how can I improve my 3rd game scores when it gets too dry for me? Any suggestions?


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 Post subject: Re: Lane Play Advice Needed
 Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:39 am Post Number: #2 Post
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I would ball down to the 2Fast for the 3rd game. Utilizing your own burned line as your bumper to the outside. I know its tough to give up on what was working but as you already know the Sync is too much ball in the 3rd game.
Utilize your fill ball in the 10th frame in the 2nd game to get yourself lined up for the 3rd.

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 Post subject: Re: Lane Play Advice Needed
 Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:42 am Post Number: #3 Post
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Thanks Eric. You're absolutely right about being reluctant to switch balls from what was working. I always seem to think I can make it work still. Just end up wasting frames. I'll just have to make the commitment to the 2Fast and see what happens tomorrow night. I'll give it a shot. Can't do much worse, lol.


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 Post subject: Re: Lane Play Advice Needed
 Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 8:24 am Post Number: #4 Post
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duvallite wrote:
I need some advice on how to play the lanes when my preferred line has dried up..........Any suggestions?


Two pieces of advice I typically get, either relate to moving to a different approach line on the lane, or using (switching to) a different ball that responds well to a drier lane.

I’ve employed both bits of advice.

It makes me wonder however, if being ambedextrice would help?! I have YET to see a competition-grade bowler pull THAT one out of their preverbial hat!!

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 Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 11:56 am Post Number: #5 Post
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Your average/handicap is established with one hand, even if you use 2 hand swing. So they’d be disqualified if they switched.

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 Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 1:30 pm Post Number: #6 Post
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The modern game is about friction, when your line dries there are many adjustments or combinations of adjustments you can do to reduce friction:

-More ball speed
-More axis tilt
-More axis rotation
-Less rpms
-More loft
-Move in to look for more oil
-Change balls

These will all depend on the situation at hand and will have other consequences besides reducing friction.


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 Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 7:56 pm Post Number: #7 Post
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What Tony said. A handy mnemonic is LASER - not necessarily in this order...

Loft
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Speed
Equipment
Release (ie. tilt/rotation/revs)

I tend to play game 3 too conservative, but I'm very consistent from game to game. I also like to think I can out bowl a bad reaction, but I am wrong. Sometimes the small moves and adjustments just won't cut it.

Eric is right on - find a ball down from the Sync that you can trust and use it for your fill ball in game 2. If you're unable to make a big zone jump, then the weaker ball is the best bet.

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44boyd wrote:
Your average/handicap is established with one hand, even if you use 2 hand swing. So they’d be disqualified if they switched.



For real? Even in Baseball, you can switch when batting!!
Suppose someone “qualified” with both??

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You can establish an average for each hand, you just can't use it in the same game. Effectively each hand is a different bowler for the scoresheets.

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soupy1957 wrote:


For real? Even in Baseball, you can switch when batting!!
Suppose someone “qualified” with both??


Well if that’s the case, I think we should lobby the powers that be, and allow for switch-hand bowling. Hey, what the heck; we’re already allowing for two-handed throws!!

I’m waiting for the Bowler that comes along and throws the bowling ball over his head like Pitchin a softball, and makes it land right in front of the pins to knock them all down!!

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 Posted: Mon May 14, 2018 2:54 am Post Number: #11 Post
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A two handed bowler is not allowed to release the ball with two hands, we keep it on the ball throughout the swing and take it off the ball just before release effectively releasing the ball with our dominant hand. There is nothing wrong or unfair with the two handed “approach”, many people incorrectly call it a two handed “delivery”, don’t believe me, try it and see if you can be accurate and generate enough speed. Two handed bowling is not easy.

As for changing USBC rules I suggest you first read them and if you wish to try to change one, get enough signatures and write an objective paper about why you and the others who signed it wish for the rule to be changed and then mail it to USBC.


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soupy1957 wrote:
I’m waiting for the Bowler that comes along and throws the bowling ball over his head like Pitchin a softball, and makes it land right in front of the pins to knock them all down!!


Hey, you did read my post! :D

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 Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 2:07 am Post Number: #13 Post
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You mention your move at the arrows, but you still want to "throw it out." Have you considered moving left with your feet and your eyes, as well as your breakpoint? I think that you will find that when everyone else is still trying to throw it out to eight board, there is still plenty of oil at eleven at a the end of the pattern. Try it. I think you'll like it!


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 Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 1:31 pm Post Number: #14 Post
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RobMautner wrote:
You mention your move at the arrows, but you still want to "throw it out." Have you considered moving left with your feet and your eyes, as well as your breakpoint? I think that you will find that when everyone else is still trying to throw it out to eight board, there is still plenty of oil at eleven at a the end of the pattern. Try it. I think you'll like it!


Last night when the wife and I went bowling, I decided to move to the most extreme left dot, and still throw for the five board arrow. I had some interesting results that were somewhat positive, but it still shook me a little bit.

Typically I’ve been starting off with my left foot at the center dot, and only moving a couple of boards left. So this was a radical departure for me. My score jumped 20 pins, and for the first time I got a really decent hook from the Hot Cell! It was an epiphany moment for me.

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 Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 1:54 pm Post Number: #15 Post
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soupy1957 wrote:

Last night when the wife and I went bowling, I decided to move to the most extreme left dot, and still throw for the five board arrow. I had some interesting results that were somewhat positive, but it still shook me a little bit.

Typically I’ve been starting off with my left foot at the center dot, and only moving a couple of boards left. So this was a radical departure for me. My score jumped 20 pins, and for the first time I got a really decent hook from the Hot Cell! It was an epiphany moment for me.


WOW I'll say you got some decent hook from the Hot Cell!! if the ball didn't go right in the gutter playing that line.

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Assuming you have 7 dots on the approach, the last dot on the left would be 35, so your laydown point is about the 28 board. Shooting for first arrow wouldn't make any sense.

So Unless your drifting way back right the ball would have been headed for the gutter.

Now if the lanes were as old as the hills and you only have 3 dots the far left dot would be 25. You'd still be headed for the gutter, trying to shoot first arrow.


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 Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 2:03 pm Post Number: #16 Post
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Well I can’t say that I got good results on every throw, but I also can’t say that I actually hit the second arrow either.

Reason I even tried to go to the extreme left was because I had seen a bunch of videos where the boiler was demonstrating different balls, and it seemed like they were throwing fromthe extreme left in every shot. So I thought I would try that and it seems to work better than standing with my left toe on the center dot; so I probably will try to stay to the left as much as possible for my particular brand of bowling. At some point I’ll get the handle on it and learn how to control it. I did end up in the gutter on a few shots by the way.

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Last night when the wife and I went bowling, I decided to move to the most extreme left dot, and still throw for the five board arrow.


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Well I can’t say that I got good results on every throw, but I also can’t say that I actually hit the second arrow either.


If you were actually aiming at the five board arrow(which is first arrow) as you said above. Then I wouldn't think you would hit the second arrow (the 10 board arrow).

Now if you meant second arrow in your other post, you still would have to be drifting way back right. Going for the 2nd arrow.


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If you were actually aiming at the five board arrow(which is first arrow) as you said above. Then I wouldn't think you would hit the second arrow (the 10 board arrow).

Now if you meant second arrow in your other post, you still would have to be drifting way back right. Going for the 2nd arrow.


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You are absolutely right. I was wrong. My “bad”

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