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yoyo release to increase rev?

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Ive always been doing the handshake release to hook the ball. I found out about this yoyo release, where you just uncup your wrist right at the moment of release. I am a bit confused by this. Do you still do the handshake after you uncup your wrist? Or just roll the ball straight out of your palm? It seems like Belmonte always does handshake during his follow through.
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Brood,
Take a look at the wiki articles on Ball Motion, there is text and video.
Get a bit familiar with the basic physics behind ball motion.
Pay attention to the PAP (positive axis point) markers in the videos

Axis rotation - hold a soda or water bottle in your Palm with the cap on your pinky side.
In the diagram in the link below, that bottle is the red line, the cap is the POSITIVE AXIS aka PAP.
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The wiki has a wealth of information.

The Yo-Yo motion does exactly the same thing to the bowling ball as it does the Yo-Yo, it puts rotation on the Yo-Yo, it does not, cannot make the Yo-Yo hook, even if you rolled it on the ground without a string.

The orientation of the Palm of the hand after the thumb exits imparts an axis that is different. When a ball encounters sufficient friction, those two axes will start to align an the ball will start to arc.

You can experiment with a very light house ball, do not insert your thumb.
Roll a few balls VERY SLOWLY (slowly because households are plastic and need more friction) while at the foul line, the objective is to monitor ball motion.
First just the YO-YO, then the YO-YO with side rotation ...


Some books that have been reviewed and rated by forum members
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Most of what learned, that is my core learning, came from the Tom Kouros book.
I highly recommend you read some books on the sport if you can.
Also working with a coach if possible.

Also, don't fall in love or be seduced by the magnitude of Rpms and Hook.
Bowling is still a targeting game, in essence connecting dots.
If your goals are strictly recreational, the dots are a lot larger (more miss room).
But spares demand accuracy and spares can make or break you.
The best bowlers do a number of things very well.

Good Luck brood.
Remember that Luck Favors the Prepared Mind. Expand your knowledge.

Finally, you may have heard of coach Mark Baker.
He asks, "how do you put a jigsaw puzzle together? Where do you begin? The release is like the center piece".
Think about that.

Without all the other good fundamentals such as those pointed out by folks like Jim Merrell, the greatest release will be like a train without tracks.

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By the way, that "move" has been around since the human wrist.
Bill Hall wrote about the fact Don Carter used that type of motion.

Again, the speed of that motion can be used to add or subtract RPMS.
Be very aware of

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RPMS and Hook are not the "Golden Goose" .
Would you settle for being as good as Walter Ray Williams Jr. or Norm Duke?
What makes them great?
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Accuracy, repeatability and the ability to adjust and read transition as it is happening makes Walter and Norm two of the best bowlers that have ever lived.
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TonyPR wrote:Accuracy, repeatability and the ability to adjust and read transition as it is happening makes Walter and Norm two of the best bowlers that have ever lived.

You are ever so correct!
Kelly Coffman, probably had more Rpms than Duke and Williams combined.
Kelly never one a title, but his metrics were impressive.
I wonder how many times a missed 10 pin kept him from making a cut or a tv show?
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I wrote an article for BTM in September of 2015 called Working the Inside of the Ball. You might want to take a look at it as it explores not only what is involved in a "modern release," but how much work and commitment it takes to master it.
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brood915 wrote:Ive always been doing the handshake release to hook the ball. I found out about this yoyo release, where you just uncup your wrist right at the moment of release. I am a bit confused by this. Do you still do the handshake after you uncup your wrist? Or just roll the ball straight out of your palm? It seems like Belmonte always does handshake during his follow through.

I think the Yo yo release is more of a under hand slapping a wall. Try this stand in front of a wall with your slide foot touching the wall in your finishing position. As your hand come down from the top of the swing (no bowling ball ) make a fist around waist height then as the hand get to the ankle uncup the hand to slap the wall.
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Cool video I found, you can watch it all if you have the time or just go to 5:30 for the yoyo release:

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