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by The Kid
January 24th, 2013, 8:20 pm
Forum: Ball Talk
Topic: Negative Tilt
Replies: 22
Views: 1231

Re: Negative Tilt

Definitely right about being near the middle finger hole, not the ring finger hole. Edited for accuracy. The layout would resemble a full-roller layout for a lefty, but everything would be measured from the PAP- something missing for full-roller layouts. This allows you to choose pin-to-PAP distance...
by The Kid
January 24th, 2013, 8:05 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Should PAP determine the pin distance or top weight I order?
Replies: 2
Views: 340

Re: Should PAP determine the pin distance or top weight I or

Yes, your PAP should definitely affect the pin distance and top weight you target. In your case, I would shoot for longer pin distances and lower top weights. Without either of those, your balance hole choices will nearly always be limited to P1 and P2 holes. And balance hole selection is incredibly...
by The Kid
January 23rd, 2013, 8:18 am
Forum: Ball Talk
Topic: Negative Tilt
Replies: 22
Views: 1231

Re: Negative Tilt

What about a very short PAPs or close to the thumb and negative tilt? For example could you have a PAP of 2" over and 2" down. Putting the track above the fingers Starting the ball where most bowlers start to find the dry flares. Im thinking out loud here, With any kind of rev rate im sure high fla...
by The Kid
January 22nd, 2013, 4:48 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: When is Low Rg Medium ?
Replies: 5
Views: 446

Re: When is Low Rg Medium ?

Personally, I don't put much stock in the advertised numbers. Why? Because at the end of the day the only RG value that REALLY matters is that of the PAP, which we have no practical way of measuring. Instead, think more about diffs (total and intermediate) and diff ratios. Be aware of the way drill...
by The Kid
January 22nd, 2013, 4:29 am
Forum: Ball Talk
Topic: Negative Tilt
Replies: 22
Views: 1231

Re: Negative Tilt

No, I'm pretty sure a bowler with negative tilt will have a horizontal PAP component greater than 6 3/4". -- JohnP This is something Mo has said more than once. I don't see why that would necessarily be the case. Imagine a ball that spins on a point 6 3/4" left of the grip (for a righty); the PAP s...
by The Kid
January 21st, 2013, 4:54 pm
Forum: Ball Talk
Topic: Negative Tilt
Replies: 22
Views: 1231

Re: Negative Tilt

Has he bowled like this for a long time? Is he consistent?

If so, you will either use a normal layout or a horizontal layout. I think an overrolled layout will bring the track over the fingers.

If he's not consistent/new, work with him to get a better release.
by The Kid
December 6th, 2012, 7:21 pm
Forum: Layout Advice
Topic: Layout advice for a friend
Replies: 5
Views: 363

Re: Layout advice for a friend

Thanks all. I've used 50°-55°x3 1/4"-4"x30°-35° for some stronger asymmetrical pieces. Thanks for the input everyone.
by The Kid
December 5th, 2012, 6:34 pm
Forum: Layout Advice
Topic: Layout advice for a friend
Replies: 5
Views: 363

Layout advice for a friend

A bowler I work with often is now on staff with Seismic. We've had a lot of success since starting up his Seismic line, but also a couple of duds. I'm hoping to get some opinions on what we might do. He's right handed, bowls mostly on synthetics and bowls most often on house patterns. However, he do...
by The Kid
November 26th, 2012, 12:03 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Pitches in degrees
Replies: 16
Views: 720

Re: Pitches in degrees

The line to the center of the ball is one of the known legs and the pitch distance is the second, at a 90* angle to the first leg (thus remaining at the depth of the radius of the ball). The hypotenuse connects the two legs and is slightly longer than the long leg. -- JohnP This is how I figured it...
by The Kid
November 13th, 2012, 3:40 pm
Forum: Ball Talk
Topic: your thoughts about....
Replies: 9
Views: 999

Re: your thoughts about....

DV8 is owned and produced by Brunswick, and thus a very good product.

Motiv (I'm nearly certain) is independent, but is also a great product.

No issues with either company in my shop. Quite a few bowlers here bowl exclusively with Motiv now.
by The Kid
November 7th, 2012, 6:09 pm
Forum: Layout Advice
Topic: Balance hole size and location
Replies: 23
Views: 754

Re: Balance hole size and location

JohnP wrote:You'd better weigh it again, drilling the RF deeper shouldn't have taken out that much side weight and should have taken out more finger weight. -- JohnP
Good catch. Didn't look at the original weights.
by The Kid
November 7th, 2012, 4:08 pm
Forum: Layout Advice
Topic: Balance hole size and location
Replies: 23
Views: 754

Re: Balance hole size and location

Roll it and see. You might be able to tweak it stronger or weaker with those weights.
by The Kid
November 6th, 2012, 7:08 pm
Forum: Ball Talk
Topic: Question about the rg of of a bowling ball.
Replies: 83
Views: 8362

Re: Question about the rg of of a bowling ball.

My guess is that the main change the smaller VAL angle would have on the RG contour, would be giving it a flatter ellipse . The eccentricity of the RG contour (i.e. the "ellipseness") is directly related to the differential ratio, which the VAL angle affects. Smaller VAL angle -> higher diff. ratio...
by The Kid
November 5th, 2012, 11:35 pm
Forum: The Pro Shop
Topic: Long pins on asym question
Replies: 20
Views: 1648

Re: Long pins on asym question

I personally only consider the drilling and VAL angles when controlling the distance of the transitions (excluding surface, which actually plays a huge part in when the transitions occur). If you want to get the roll earlier but keep the same shape either: 1) Lower both the drilling angle and VAL an...
by The Kid
November 5th, 2012, 9:54 pm
Forum: The Pro Shop
Topic: Long pins on asym question
Replies: 20
Views: 1648

Re: Long pins on asym question

This was what I gathered a while ago: For symmetricals, imagine a bell-curve with the "hump" at 3 3/8" pin-to-PAP. The further from that distance (towards 0" or 6 3/4"), the less flare- which typically means less hook overall. Distances less than 3 3/8" react sooner than distances greater than 3 3/8...
by The Kid
November 5th, 2012, 9:11 pm
Forum: Ball Talk
Topic: Question about the rg of of a bowling ball.
Replies: 83
Views: 8362

Re: Question about the rg of of a bowling ball.

I just can't see the VAL angle affecting the RG of the PAP very much at all. The pin-to-PAP distance controls which RG contour the PAP begins on. The drilling angle controls where on the RG contour the PAP begins (relative to the minor axis of the RG contour, which is the pin-to-spin line) The VAL a...
by The Kid
November 5th, 2012, 8:42 pm
Forum: Layout Advice
Topic: symmetrical core balance hole
Replies: 6
Views: 564

Re: symmetrical core balance hole

Without inserts, it's much more difficult to benefit from drilling the fingers deeper.

I would just try to keep an eye on the static weights. Make sure your legal before drilling it deeper. Drill as much as you would guess you can/should without going over 1 oz finger weight. Then weigh it again.
by The Kid
November 5th, 2012, 8:32 pm
Forum: Layout Advice
Topic: Balance hole size and location
Replies: 23
Views: 754

Re: Balance hole size and location

The weights seem reasonable. It's always best to weigh the ball before you drill it to get an idea of what you'll end up with. I would've gone with a different layout given the shorter pin distance and the CG being kicked right. It would've been doable with a short horizontal PAP component, but othe...
by The Kid
November 4th, 2012, 9:03 pm
Forum: Layout Advice
Topic: Rev Deficient
Replies: 13
Views: 842

Re: Rev Deficient

Is there a layout that may aid a bowler's inability to generate revolutions? Respects... Mike Kind of! Layouts for "speed dominant" bowlers won't help you get more revolutions, but it will make the ball rev up sooner. The basic formula is: Smaller Drilling Angles (ball begins to hook sooner) Smalle...
by The Kid
November 4th, 2012, 8:54 pm
Forum: Layout Advice
Topic: symmetrical core balance hole
Replies: 6
Views: 564

Re: symmetrical core balance hole

Either use a Double Thumb or a hole 2" below the midline on the VAL.

If you see some reaction, but it needs to be stronger- use a Double Thumb.

If the ball won't react early enough- use the VAL hole.