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by The Kid
April 11th, 2011, 5:45 pm
Forum: Ball Talk
Topic: 0.008 intermediate diff = assymetrical?
Replies: 17
Views: 1444

Re: 0.008 intermediate diff = assymetrical?

Questions: 1) If one were to have a 4+" Pin-to-PAP on a low asym (.007 or lower) and placed the PSA near the thumb with a large DT weight hole, would the flaring properties change at some point? I know the DT weight hole will increase the total diff., so it will flare more anyhow. But will it lose o...
by The Kid
April 8th, 2011, 6:02 am
Forum: The Pro Shop
Topic: Dual angle/PAP question
Replies: 26
Views: 1431

Re: Dual angle/PAP question

I don't think either of you can satisfactorily disagree just because you both have different data... I doubt John would go so far as to say that Mo doesn't know how to measure a PAP, or that Mo would say anything similar about John. It seems that in some cases (but not all), the PAP can change due t...
by The Kid
April 6th, 2011, 7:48 pm
Forum: Layout Advice
Topic: Looking for some help
Replies: 12
Views: 339

Re: Looking for some help

Hm. I was supposing the deeper fingers would result in a bigger change.

Oh well, fact is fact.
by The Kid
April 6th, 2011, 7:02 pm
Forum: The Pro Shop
Topic: Dual angle/PAP question
Replies: 26
Views: 1431

Re: Dual angle/PAP question

I actually had an experience with a changed PAP due to a stronger bowling ball (and layout). This bowler had a PAP of 5" over, 1" up on several bowling balls, including the first I drilled for him (a Prodigy drilled with a layout near 50*x4"x30" with a large P2 weight hole). The next ball I drilled ...
by The Kid
April 6th, 2011, 5:51 pm
Forum: Layout Advice
Topic: Looking for some help
Replies: 12
Views: 339

Re: Looking for some help

The diffs. will increase with the hole near the PSA. The deeper fingers will subtract slightly from the benefit of the maxed out legal hole, but it will be better with the bigger hole and the fingers drilled deeper. With his Tilt: 10*, flip on the back will always be a concern. If he truly wants ba...
by The Kid
April 6th, 2011, 5:44 pm
Forum: Layout Advice
Topic: Ball Suggestion for Full Roller
Replies: 13
Views: 630

Re: Ball Suggestion for Full Roller

Result was phenomenal. This is easily the best reaction he's ever seen. His average is creeping back up and he's enjoying getting a definite hook zone (ball hook-stopped before). Carry is great, look is great, and he's buying a Destroy/R to support Mo, because he was the key to this success story. I...
by The Kid
April 3rd, 2011, 10:39 pm
Forum: Layout Advice
Topic: Looking for some help
Replies: 12
Views: 339

Re: Looking for some help

We tried 500/1000 on the 718A, and eventually went back to 2000 with polish (he wanted polish). For the hole, I simply drilled the thumb deeper as the PSA was in it already. I have barely any room for an additional hole without drilling the fingers deeper. And in any case, he ended up liking it, but...
by The Kid
April 1st, 2011, 5:44 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Lane #1 Boomerang core... Interesting...
Replies: 16
Views: 1315

Lane #1 Boomerang core... Interesting...

I found this article by searching "rg contour" on Google. It is simply a Lane #1 marketing article trying to explain why the Boomerang is the next big thing. The reading was nothing out of the ordinary (lots of technical references, with one quick quip on the cg). However, I noticed something intere...
by The Kid
April 1st, 2011, 3:20 pm
Forum: Layout Advice
Topic: Looking for some help
Replies: 12
Views: 339

Looking for some help

Yesterday I punched up a ball for a new customer. Him and I had talked before and decided on a 718A. Seeing as no other driller had ever gotten his PAP (and that's a lot of drillers), this was a new experience for him. This is what I found: PAP: 4 3/16" over, 1 3/8" Speed-Rev equal to Rev dominant (...
by The Kid
March 21st, 2011, 2:17 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: PAP below thumb hole
Replies: 13
Views: 803

Re: PAP below thumb hole

Maybe an "over-rolled" full-roller? Is the track to the right of the grip holes at all? In that case, I think you might have found the NAP instead.

Curious for sure.
by The Kid
March 10th, 2011, 4:14 am
Forum: Layout Advice
Topic: PIN TO PAP DISTANCE IN ASYMMETRICAL BALLS
Replies: 13
Views: 1017

Re: PIN TO PAP DISTANCE IN ASYMMETRICAL BALLS

I'm satisfied with that answer. Makes sense...

I'm sure I'll pick your brain later for more.

Thanks as always!
by The Kid
March 9th, 2011, 7:17 pm
Forum: Layout Advice
Topic: PIN TO PAP DISTANCE IN ASYMMETRICAL BALLS
Replies: 13
Views: 1017

Re: PIN TO PAP DISTANCE IN ASYMMETRICAL BALLS

I've read the article and the ppt on RG Contours (as well as the wiki article on them). I hope you don't mind me clarifying: The asymmetry of a ball determines the shape and the amount of precession? Seeing the compared contours, the path of the PAP seems exactly as you describe it. However, I'm hav...
by The Kid
March 8th, 2011, 4:23 pm
Forum: Layout Advice
Topic: PIN TO PAP DISTANCE IN ASYMMETRICAL BALLS
Replies: 13
Views: 1017

Re: PIN TO PAP DISTANCE IN ASYMMETRICAL BALLS

Hmm. This leads me to a more general question... If an asymmetrical ball is defined by only two qualities: a defined PSA and an intermediate axis (each orthogonal to each other AND to the Low RG Axis), what about them makes them flare differently then symmetrical equipment? Remembering some older in...
by The Kid
March 7th, 2011, 7:03 pm
Forum: Layout Advice
Topic: PIN TO PAP DISTANCE IN ASYMMETRICAL BALLS
Replies: 13
Views: 1017

Re: PIN TO PAP DISTANCE IN ASYMMETRICAL BALLS

Here's a question: I threw a Full Swing (not drilled for me), with a layout of 80*x5.5"x50* for my altered PAP. Due to the lack of fit, my tilt was roughly 3* with a rotation near 45-55*. The track flare was minimal with that drill (2 inches of wet-flare). The ball had great length and a strong back...
by The Kid
February 21st, 2011, 4:58 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Gradient Line change
Replies: 76
Views: 9473

Re: Gradient Line change

Couldn't you say that the largest differential change would be from a weight hole on the low RG axis? I'm assuming some understanding here (a dangerous thing, to be sure!), but if you use a weight hole placement 6 3/4" from the PSA that is not on the low RG axis, the result would be different depend...
by The Kid
February 17th, 2011, 6:27 pm
Forum: Layout Advice
Topic: Pure Swing w/ Dbl Thumb layout...
Replies: 6
Views: 192

Re: Pure Swing w/ Dbl Thumb layout...

How confident are the PAP measurements you used?
How large is the weight hole?
by The Kid
February 6th, 2011, 11:29 pm
Forum: Layout Advice
Topic: 0* Tilt = No Roll?
Replies: 1
Views: 198

0* Tilt = No Roll?

I have to high average bowlers I've recently started drilling for; one won the Junior Gold qualifier at Main Event in Vegas this December, the other is a house-shot killer (and tournament frequenter). Both have tracks that bowtie just below and right of the thumb and have PAP's around 5" over, 2" up...
by The Kid
February 6th, 2011, 11:11 pm
Forum: Layout Advice
Topic: Ball Suggestion for Full Roller
Replies: 13
Views: 630

Re: Ball Suggestion for Full Roller

Update:

Measured the PAP: 7 1/2" over, 2 7/16" up. Tilt measured out at -10*. Rotation is roughly 45*, which I thought was pretty interesting.

Also interesting was the fact that the ball bowties on/near the bridge. The track otherwise goes right of the grip.

Work your magic Mo!
by The Kid
February 4th, 2011, 3:23 pm
Forum: The Pro Shop
Topic: CLT Question
Replies: 7
Views: 633

Re: CLT Question

That's part of the "45* Thumb Drilling," which is different, but complimentary to, the "CLT Drilling."

Both are a nice change of pace if you're interested in toying with a new fit. I use Mo's "fan chart" conversions in place of the CLT.
by The Kid
February 3rd, 2011, 6:38 am
Forum: Layout Advice
Topic: Getting a benchmark for a friend
Replies: 8
Views: 233

Re: Getting a benchmark for a friend

I can't remember off hand, but somewhere around 1/4" rev I believe. He's been punching his own stuff for a while, and I only recently adapted a fit for him by slugging over a thumb to use an oval. The hole was a drastic decrease in size and he complained about it; now he says it's too big. If he wou...