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by EricHartwell
August 7th, 2022, 7:19 pm
Forum: Layout Advice
Topic: New Member, Layout/Arsenal advice, slightly speed dom
Replies: 24
Views: 784

Re: New Member, Layout/Arsenal advice, slightly speed dom

Recheck your PAP on the Results Solid.

Then measure the layout from that.
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I suspect that your PAP changed with the grip change.
by EricHartwell
July 27th, 2022, 9:43 pm
Forum: Layout Advice
Topic: New Member, Layout/Arsenal advice, slightly speed dom
Replies: 24
Views: 784

Re: New Member, Layout/Arsenal advice, slightly speed dom

Thanks, that makes sense regarding what you mean by dull and matte. I wasn't sure if there was more do it that just which grit. Would this be an accurate understanding of why which layout on which ball? Kind of use the Results to amplify what it is made to do, use the Solid for benchmark as it shou...
by EricHartwell
July 27th, 2022, 9:03 pm
Forum: Layout Advice
Topic: New Member, Layout/Arsenal advice, slightly speed dom
Replies: 24
Views: 784

Re: New Member, Layout/Arsenal advice, slightly speed dom

I'm not a fitter. Except for my own hand. I've made several span changes over the years, I know what worked for me. You have the same Span measurement for both your Middle and Ring finger??? This does not seem right to me. My opinion of a good grip would be to have equal forces on both ring and midd...
by EricHartwell
July 25th, 2022, 1:53 am
Forum: Layout Advice
Topic: New Member, Layout/Arsenal advice, slightly speed dom
Replies: 24
Views: 784

Re: New Member, Layout/Arsenal advice, slightly speed dom

1. Matte is between shiny and dull, example 3000 grit. 2. Sport conditions do not exclusively need Sport layouts. The basic arsenal that I put together has enough variety and strength to be usable over a wide range of lane conditions. The Sport layouts are best on the fresh sport conditions. Once th...
by EricHartwell
July 24th, 2022, 6:53 pm
Forum: Layout Advice
Topic: New Member, Layout/Arsenal advice, slightly speed dom
Replies: 24
Views: 784

Re: New Member, Layout/Arsenal advice, slightly speed dom

Hope you are doing well. I know first hand how the Covid can kick your butt. Here is how I would set up your 3 ball set ... Results Solid ..................... Benchmark .................... 55-4-35 ......................................... Dull Results ..........................Long and Strong .......
by EricHartwell
July 13th, 2022, 11:46 pm
Forum: Layout Advice
Topic: New Member, Layout/Arsenal advice, slightly speed dom
Replies: 24
Views: 784

Re: New Member, Layout/Arsenal advice, slightly speed dom

Gotcha. I'm gonna guess you meant you like the Payback over the Bonus Yes the Bonus, sorry you had me thinking about too many different balls at one time. because of the stronger core? Just looked at the differences in the Payback and Crypto 4 x 30 drillings, wouldn't have guessed the Payback has t...
by EricHartwell
July 13th, 2022, 8:44 pm
Forum: Layout Advice
Topic: New Member, Layout/Arsenal advice, slightly speed dom
Replies: 24
Views: 784

Re: New Member, Layout/Arsenal advice, slightly speed dom

I like the Payback for you over the Results because of the Stronger core. Once you have 3 and/or 6 balls in your possession I will put layouts to them setting up the 3 and 6 ball bags. Using layouts and surface preps to give you a well balance arsenal and not waste time and energy on initial thought...
by EricHartwell
July 13th, 2022, 2:02 am
Forum: Layout Advice
Topic: New Member, Layout/Arsenal advice, slightly speed dom
Replies: 24
Views: 784

Re: New Member, Layout/Arsenal advice, slightly speed dom

Thanks. The closest ball I have to a benchmark is a Motiv Pride which was drilled 50 x 3 5/8 x 45 with my old pap. I had the PS check the angles based on my new PAP, and it's 40 x 4 5/8 x 35 now. I will say it seems closer to what I think a benchmark should be, as it's now more controlled off the b...
by EricHartwell
July 12th, 2022, 1:58 am
Forum: Layout Advice
Topic: New Member, Layout/Arsenal advice, slightly speed dom
Replies: 24
Views: 784

Re: New Member, Layout/Arsenal advice, slightly speed dom

Welcome to BowlingChat Speed: 17.5 mph (using Ten Pin Toolkit video analysis) Rev Rate: 270 - 300 Tilt: 10-13, measured with oil rings and by video. I've improved from 7.5 initially Axis Rotation: generally around low 50s, under 30 when I successfully stay behind the ball for a couple of throws PAP:...
by EricHartwell
July 6th, 2022, 9:40 pm
Forum: Layout Advice
Topic: Layout advice
Replies: 98
Views: 13152

Re: Layout advice

Your lower Tilt still has you in the Rev Dominant category. Benchmark ......2.5:1 Ratio 105* Totals With Lower Tilt(Higher Track) layouts with Larger VAL angles (Pin down) will run risk of hitting gripping holes. One thing helping you in this regard is your PAP is less than 5" helping keep your init...
by EricHartwell
June 23rd, 2022, 8:35 pm
Forum: Layout Advice
Topic: Lower speed rev dominant
Replies: 11
Views: 390

Re: Lower speed rev dominant

Maybe try a lower end ball. Something with a Higher Rg, Lower differential and a Weaker cover if he is unwilling to change his delivery and/or the area of the lane where he is playing.
by EricHartwell
June 15th, 2022, 9:28 pm
Forum: Layout Advice
Topic: Layout Advice
Replies: 8
Views: 500

Re: Layout Advice

Hi Eric, thanks a bunch for the advice. I really appreciate your insight. While I seem to be in the neighborhood regarding the dual angles, how does one select the ideal pin distances for those? "Ideal"Pin to PAP distance usually determined by the Tilt characteristic of your roll. This is represent...
by EricHartwell
June 5th, 2022, 5:01 pm
Forum: Layout Advice
Topic: Layout Advice
Replies: 8
Views: 500

Re: Layout Advice

I see a couple of things for you to keep in mind... One is making sure you know know whether you are working with a Symmetrical or an Asymmetrical ball. The Raw Hammer Black is a Symmetrical ball and you gave layout numbers as if it was an Asymmetrical. The other thing I see is you are not mentionin...
by EricHartwell
May 8th, 2022, 12:31 am
Forum: Layout Advice
Topic: Short pin layout - dry flares hitting thumb
Replies: 17
Views: 748

Re: Short pin layout - dry flares hitting thumb

I have yet to have dry flares hitting my thumb except for a double thumb layout on a Taboo Gas mask core. I have had plenty of balls layed out with 2 to 3" Pin to PAP. It sure seems that with rev dominance, the low flare short pin layouts need larger drill angles And larger VAL angles. I will keep t...
by EricHartwell
May 7th, 2022, 12:23 am
Forum: Layout Advice
Topic: Short pin layout - dry flares hitting thumb
Replies: 17
Views: 748

Re: Short pin layout - dry flares hitting thumb

I played around in blueprint for about an hour and short pin layouts with a 45 degree VAL angle all tracked over or extremely close to the thumb. On both symmetrical and asymmetrical balls. If I increased the VAL angle to 60-70 degrees it appears safe as the bottom bowtie gets lowered sufficiently....
by EricHartwell
May 4th, 2022, 1:06 am
Forum: Layout Advice
Topic: Short pin layout - dry flares hitting thumb
Replies: 17
Views: 748

Re: Short pin layout - dry flares hitting thumb

All bets are off on plugs and re-drills.
by EricHartwell
May 3rd, 2022, 12:49 am
Forum: Layout Advice
Topic: Short pin layout - dry flares hitting thumb
Replies: 17
Views: 748

Re: Short pin layout - dry flares hitting thumb

How far apart are the flares lines in the oil?

The Motiv Jackal Ghost 70x2x45 should look like this...
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If it doesn't, post a pic of it.

Verify your PAP on the balls in question.
by EricHartwell
May 1st, 2022, 11:59 pm
Forum: Layout Advice
Topic: Axis Tilt ?
Replies: 5
Views: 340

Re: Axis Tilt ?

Why do we even have a rule as to retaining tilt in symmetricals; if all balls are asymmetrical, post drilling -- and only the post drilling asymmetry is used in calculations for retaining tilt? (I have had similar experience to this bowler also, with a Hammer Arson Hybrid & Lane Masters Big Bang SE...
by EricHartwell
May 1st, 2022, 7:02 pm
Forum: Layout Advice
Topic: Axis Tilt ?
Replies: 5
Views: 340

Re: Axis Tilt ?

I am wanting to more accurately understand this statement ... To retain Axis Tilt in SYMMETRICAL equipment, we would tend towards longer pin-pap (> 4") distances, while ASYMMETRICAL equipment we use shorter pin-pap distances (< 3"). How would these instructions translate to an asymmetrical ball, wi...
by EricHartwell
April 18th, 2022, 9:42 pm
Forum: Ball Talk
Topic: 1, 2, or 3 sided asymmetry?
Replies: 1
Views: 384

Re: 1, 2, or 3 sided asymmetry?

Interesting observations. How about the Hammer Taboo Gas Mask core. It has sides shaved off and protrusions. By your descriptions above I see 4 "sides" of Asymmetry to it. Sorry I'm not able to answer your questions specifically. The Dual angle system works with the the identified markings of the 2 ...